Are you ready for 7 million people on tiny Singapore?
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concern2:
Hm...which other countries are using this model? Are we carrying this to the extreme? I mean - we have only that much land...and if bringing in more means having to build even more infrastructure to accommodate, aren't we back to square one? I can't see any improvement in people's standard of living..[/quote]I think Australia and recently New Zealand welcome immigrants to fill in the gaps for skilled jobs in demand. However, their requirements are much more stringent than Singapore. In recent years, Australians also not so happy as there are too many Asians. The other countries I think that embrace immigrants (not so sure) are UK, Canada and USA.
Yah. I very the long winded one.pirate:
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:scratchhead: Don't exactly get your point. You mean other countries are doing it, and we are just doing the same thing, if not, what our garmen should do if they don't do the same?
Sorri, that's my \"layman's understanding\" of what you mean.. -
Not Shelford Green.
Balmoral was arranged by DH so I cannot remember the name.
The small projects in the area are in this price range.
For now, the few agents I spoke with all told me the best value is D’leedon. It was also mentioned by another forummer. I caveat that this is not advice to anyone. -
raysusan:
http://therealsingapore.com/content/it%E2%80%99s-propaganda-paper-disguised-white-paper[quote]Dear All,
I am PhD research student majoring in Economics and finance.
I am writing this as simply as I can. I am writing to all Singaporeans, as a Singaporean myself not to fall for this utterly disgraceful and poorly written amateurish script called the Population Growth 2030 White Paper released by Singapore Govt............
what you guys think?[/quote]Actually, I concur with the writer that the white paper is actually propaganda to convince us. -
sleepy:
You’re right, many treat this as a stepping stone to other “western” countries. My hubby encountered quite a number at his workplace, when after they’ve got the PR or have gained relevant trainings/experience, jump ship to other countries. They were unsuccessful in getting jobs or residency in the “western” countries initially, due to higher expectations/requirements, so come to Singapore first.Harlequin:
Relax, pals... it's not like the whole world of people is locking their migration target at Singapore, or there are no other attractive countries to accommodate them.
Yes there may be other attractive targets, perhaps even more attractive than Singapore. However Singapore is an easy migration target with wide open arms :frustrated: -
daddy2007:
We shd do our duty as vigilance citizens and report to HDB/authorities for the sake of fellow countryman hunting for a flat.. these foreigners are driving up the flat prices..limlim:
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know of people around me (PR colleagues) circumventing that rule by locking up 1 room (so they are \"not\" renting out whole unit) and stay in private condo or at their own home in JB...
HDB will have a way to investigate against those who flout the rules.
HDB should setup a department like those traffic wardens (for illegal parking) and will keep spot check those renting unit every night.[/quote]Good idea! :goodpost: -
pirate:
Agree! It's the heartware issue that worries me more...
Yeap. It's never as simple as what both sides of the argument make it out to be. On this, I am more on the side of let's just let the market sort out what to keep and what to lose. Which is basically what the government did when it cut the ratio across the board.
And that is why this population thingey is not as straightforward as what the \"we don't want so many people in Singapore\" side says. Me? I am more concerned with the heartware issue. I have confidence our government can sort out the infrastructure side when it puts its mind to it. -
3Boys:
You know, I'm not cynical about their intentions. The MIW crafting these policies will unlikely personally benefit much from it, as they will be deep into their 70s/80s by the time it comes around. Also, as you can see, the potential 'new' citizens can be quite an unruly lot, unlike us docile SGreans
Many just dont trust the government anymore. The general public reaction towards this White Paper reflects this distrust to the max. PAP really needs to do something to this distrust before it becomes bad to worst. I am not totally pro WP or pro PAP but this population issue tends to swing me towards voting anyone but PAP which is worrying as I believe many maybe similar to me.hercules:
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I actually have a bit of a hard time figuring out the intent of the release of this document. They are making some major geographical and infrastructure interventions, and maybe they are preparing the ground for that?
My take is the number will be compromised to around '6 million' at the end. Government will say, \"I listened to you and I did give in to a certain extent hor.\"
So there is perhaps a drive to map out what the future Singapore should look like, from the MIW point of view, and start making the necessary infrastructure adjustments. That's where I eventually landed on this, that they are preparing for what we may need to be, and these are then changes we are going to start acting on.
Because it is strange to see a 'statement' that we 'need' to be at 6.9 million in 2030, because there is just no way we can be so precise. And honestly, I don't see that they are trying to work to that number at all.[/quote]My conjecture is that after forecasting and calculating an acceptable GDP growth, and taking into account our current population growth and extrapolating it, by 2030, we NEED that population number in order to achieve target.
BTW, TCH did sort of explain how they came out with the population figure, as quoted below.
Mr Teo said: \"Going forward, we want to make sure that the roadmap that we have is an appropriate one, and if we focus on those key issues, making sure that we have enough young Singaporeans, a population structure that can provide for our seniors.
\"Second, that we have an economic structure that will provide for good jobs that an increasingly better educated Singaporean population wants. And we can provide a high quality living environment.
\"I think if we can do these three, then we look at the population number and the population we need to achieve these three objectives and that's the way we looked at it.
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/singaporelocalnews/view/1250894/1/.html -
After 6.9 million in 2030, how many millions would we need in 2060? 9 million? When will it stop?
How to make govt listen that we don't want this ponzi scheme? Petition (please don't say elect WP because we all agree that they are not ready to be the govt)? I am very pessimistic that they will listen to us because they usually carry out their plan regardless of the ground sentiments (please correct me if I am wrong). Really feel hopeless now :sad:
Btw, I think last year the govt also said that they will increase income tax. Not now but in the future. Life is going to be very very tough.... -
ngl2010:
Nobody knows what will happen in 2060, 2030 or even 2020. Maybe we can't even hit 6 million people by 2030 or maybe people left behind is less than 6 million people. Since you think it's like a ponzi then let the future govt worry about the problem. Why worry that life is going to tough as if it is not tough now? What can you do to change things? Since I believe there is nothing much you can do, I suggest enjoy the Singapore now while you can. Climb some hills, go some beaches for a swim or walk under some bridges before people starts living in these places.After 6.9 million in 2030, how many millions would we need in 2060? 9 million? When will it stop?
How to make govt listen that we don't want this ponzi scheme? Petition (please don't say elect WP because we all agree that they are not ready to be the govt)? I am very pessimistic that they will listen to us because they usually carry out their plan regardless of the ground sentiments (please correct me if I am wrong). Really feel hopeless now :sad:
Btw, I think last year the govt also said that they will increase income tax. Not now but in the future. Life is going to be very very tough....
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I think it is embarrassing for him to announce that he is a PhD student.
But then again, standards in Australia aren't that vigorous wor......sunflower:
Actually, I concur with the writer that the white paper is actually propaganda to convince us.[/quote]
http://therealsingapore.com/content/it%E2%80%99s-propaganda-paper-disguised-white-paperraysusan:
[quote]Dear All,
I am PhD research student majoring in Economics and finance.
I am writing this as simply as I can. I am writing to all Singaporeans, as a Singaporean myself not to fall for this utterly disgraceful and poorly written amateurish script called the Population Growth 2030 White Paper released by Singapore Govt............
what you guys think?
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