Are you ready for 7 million people on tiny Singapore?
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WeiHan:
People don't suffer because of others got rich, may be only the hearts got hurt?!Harlequin:
You can't stop people for being rich, but you should be able to contain your grudges!
Nobody is stopping who from becoming rich. It is just that the gap has become too huge that a big segment is actually suffering below. we are not talking about good life here, it is about the suffering segment that is getting larger.
Others got rich do not mean that you can't get rich, nor you can't make a decent living.
Identify the source of your unhappiness, things would just get by. :boogie: -
Harlequin:
Gosh a very good point. Am enjoying this thread very much!
Sigh. That's the question they forgot to ask themselves. Everything also they want, only don't know how to justify. Hence no answer!pirate:
I'm still waiting for people to say what they want leh. :scratchhead:
Shall we have 0.00% population growth between now and 2030? :evil:
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The Govt. must be given credit for helping the less well off. There are many different schemes in place but forumers who grumble about the widening gap must open their eyes first and look around. There are many social organisations with paid and unpaid helpers who look out for the poor. Just take the time to listen to these social workers and you will have a better understanding of the situation.
The poor who want to be helped are being helped in terms of money for children’s schooling, clothes and food (IMHO most impt. way to help poor). There are volunteer tutors from CDAC, SINDA, Mendaki, who are teaching these children and you know tutors like these do it because they care, so such tutors can make a difference to the child’s life.
As for the parents, many are divorced so they struggle to make ends meet, with very little skills. They are given the chance to earn a skill or to do part-time jobs to start earning some money. They are given transport and food allowances. BUT this help cannot go on forever, and they must after a period of time be independent enough to earn their income (but the children will still be looked after full time)
The untold story is of the less well-off who strangely enough DO NOT WANT help, because either they are ashamed, stubborn or do not want to be beholden to the Govt. It is surprising how many will not ask or ACCEPT help and will walk away from a low rent rental flat or chance to be trained to do a simple job, because they feel that they are being controlled or for some other reason.
So let us not hide behind the self-righteous but hypocritical claim that the gap between rich and poor is widening. People who make such claims do not know and choose not to know the true story but prefer the fantasy that they believe in. -
pirate:
For one thing: What are they gonna do with the additional housing--set aside for that anticipated additional 1.6m? Will it lead to a Singapore style \"subprime\" crisis?
Then Singaporeans don't have to worry about overcrowding lor. There will be lots of space and a laid back life. Isn't that what a lot of people are asking for? :evil:mum_sugoku:
The whole model seems to bank on the presumption that foreigners will always flock to Singapore as and when our govt wants them to..
What if, in 10-20 years' time, there are other far more attractive cities for them to emigrate to? Would they still want to come here?
And after getting all ready for that supposed \"worst case scenario\" of 6.9m, immigrant doesn't flock here--as they've anticipated, then how? What are we gonna do with the presumed \"Singaporean PMET\" core then?
If they can lack forsight few years ago, there's no reason why the same batch of policy-makers wouldn't lack forsight yet again, is there?
So much for \"preparing for the worst\".
And since the model relies heavily on population growth to achieve the desired economic growth, what will happen to our economy if the target number dose not materiralise (because those people we need are not coming here)? -
Yes the Govt. model is based on FTs finding S’pore attractive for the next 25-40 years and why not? If you have travelled and lived in other cities you will realize after talking to many expats who have worked and raised families in SG, that this is where they will want to start their families and keep the family until at least the children become teenagers.
You will see the very bright lights of Shanghai and Mumbai but that is because they want the glare to blind you to all the things that are wrong -
Yes the Govt. model is based on FTs finding S'pore attractive for the next 25-40 years and why not? If you have travelled and lived in other cities you will realize after talking to many expats who have worked and raised families in SG, that this is where they will want to start their families and keep the family until at least the children become teenagers.
You will see the very bright lights of Shanghai and Mumbai but that is because they want the glare to blind you to all the things that are wrong :rotflmao:
For the young and driven FT, the bright lights of Shanghai and Mumbai is what they want now and so be it, enjoy it :boogie:
But when you are a high-flying FT who has a wife and kids and you do not want them exposed to the dangers and difficulties and poverty and crass lives of Shanghai and Mumbai, then SG beckons as a beacon of hope for the young family with its welcoming open arms :grphug:
That is what the Govt is banking on and realistically that is what will happen for the next 40 years. Beyond that who knows :scratchhead: :? -
Just relax:
Meaning there's no need for them to be prepared for the \"worst case scenario\" of this nature, just presume that Singapore will always be able to attract the number we need (and the number will always stay with us in good or bad times)?Yes the Govt. model is based on FTs finding S'pore attractive for the next 25-40 years and why not? If you have travelled and lived in other cities you will realize after talking to many expats who have worked and raised families in SG, that this is where they will want to start their families and keep the family until at least the children become teenagers.
You will see the very bright lights of Shanghai and Mumbai but that is because they want the glare to blind you to all the things that are wrong -
Well it is the Asian century which technically means it will last till 2099!
India and China have so many issues to grapple with that it will take a long time for them to have cities equivalent to Singapore. Just look at their capital cities Delhi and Beijing, no FT with a young family will want to have their children exposed to the pollution in these 2 cities, and the pollution will only get worse, hence my reference to Mumbai and Shanghai instead. But even then for young FT families :? .
As for the rest of Asia, Korea and Japan are too homogenous for the liking of FTs.
The Philippines and Indonesia are too chaotic and will take at least 25-50 years to have even 1 city each comparable to Singapore. Look at the flooding in Jakarta and that is just the tip of the iceberg, as for Manila welcome to the slums and people power of the slum dwellers which paralyses every Filipino govt.
Vietnam is so far off the radar that nobody wants to go there. So what is left in Asia, Taiwan? HK? (they have always been around but are always under the thumb of China) (Myanmar will be like Vietnam eventually), (Laos, Cambodia, Bangladesh are poor and will remain so), (Brunei and Malaysia will continue to be moderate Muslim states as they have been for a long time now)
So what does that leave us, let me guess :? :scratchhead: -
Just relax:
You will be surprised that a lot of FTs live like kings in these countries. But not sure if Singaporeans with our superior complex and peculiar English would like to go to these places or can fit in well when we are there. No choice we are stuck.Well it is the Asian century which technically means it will last till 2099!
India and China have so many issues to grapple with that it will take a long time for them to have cities equivalent to Singapore. Just look at their capital cities Delhi and Beijing, no FT with a young family will want to have their children exposed to the pollution in these 2 cities, and the pollution will only get worse, hence my reference to Mumbai and Shanghai instead. But even then for young FT families :? .
As for the rest of Asia, Korea and Japan are too homogenous for the liking of FTs.
The Philippines and Indonesia are too chaotic and will take at least 25-50 years to have even 1 city each comparable to Singapore. Look at the flooding in Jakarta and that is just the tip of the iceberg, as for Manila welcome to the slums and people power of the slum dwellers which paralyses every Filipino govt.
Vietnam is so far off the radar that nobody wants to go there. So what is left in Asia, Taiwan? HK? (they have always been around but are always under the thumb of China) (Myanmar will be like Vietnam eventually), (Laos, Cambodia, Bangladesh are poor and will remain so), (Brunei and Malaysia will continue to be moderate Muslim states as they have been for a long time now)
So what does that leave us, let me guess :? :scratchhead:
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Singapore is going to be like Dubai soon!
With majority FT and the poor Singkies would have to get handout from government.
Already they have implemented SGD750 for child care subsidies now for the low income group. For this amount, they don’t even have to come out a single cent to send their child to child care!
- This is a replica of Dubai!
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