Are you ready for 7 million people on tiny Singapore?
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limlim:
Read this yourself and tell me againDo you personally came across pple who are rejected LTP? how well do you know them? Do you know them well enough that they tell you truthfully everything including any previous convictions? (if any)
If you don't believe what I posted, so be it. I just share what I'm aware of. I do not need to convince you. I say as a matter of fact that the part is RED can be WRONG. I have seen cases before, stamp the passport every month, until get PR.
\"Sincerity\" I have already said. Wait patiently and stamp the passport every month, continue trying until they give. Why need to bring in nonsensical remarks like bribe the officer etc..?
Those who complain cannot get LTP, I doubt how honest or truthful they are. PR is strict, we know. But LTP, I doubt so.
Unless someone from ICA come out and said some nationalities are discriminated, I will not believe it.
http://news.asiaone.com/print/News/Latest%2BNews/Singapore/Story/A1Story20130115-395662.html
About 14.8% of applications (2,000 out of 13,500) by Singaporeans for LTVP for their spouses are rejected each year from 2007-2011. On the other hand only 7% of applications (300 out of 4,300) by PRs for LTVP for their spouses are rejected each year. On top of this, 4,300 spouses of Singaporeans are rejected for PR each year.
That is a lot of non-PR spouses. I seriously doubt that all or even a majority of them are offenders.
Don't take my word for it that it is a problem. Take his word.
http://hri-kumar.blogspot.sg/2012/03/foreign-spouse.html -
pirate:
Hmm…this Marriage Pass suggestion seems to be quite a good idea.
Don't take my word for it that it is a problem. Take his word.
http://hri-kumar.blogspot.sg/2012/03/foreign-spouse.html -
pirate:
I havent read the links here , nor am i on any side of this debate. Just that I love the stories that statistics weave, so a different prespective.Read this yourself and tell me again
http://news.asiaone.com/print/News/Latest%2BNews/Singapore/Story/A1Story20130115-395662.html
About 14.8% of applications (2,000 out of 13,500) by Singaporeans for LTVP for their spouses are rejected each year from 2007-2011. On the other hand only 7% of applications (300 out of 4,300) by PRs for LTVP for their spouses are rejected each year. On top of this, 4,300 spouses of Singaporeans are rejected for PR each year.
That is a lot of non-PR spouses. I seriously doubt that all or even a majority of them are offenders.
Don't take my word for it that it is a problem. Take his word.
http://hri-kumar.blogspot.sg/2012/03/foreign-spouse.html
About 14.8% of applications (2,000 out of 13,500) by Singaporeans for LTVP for their spouses are rejected each year from 2007-2011.
This also means that 11,500 applications were granted for the spouses of Singaporeans
On the other hand only 7% of applications (300 out of 4,300) by PRs for LTVP for their spouses are rejected each year.This also means that 4,000 applications were granted for the spouses of PRs.
May the battle continue :siam: -
Quite an interesting read.....http://www.aware.org.sg/2013/02/awares-response-to-population-paper/
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3Boys:
A quick check shows that agriculture only contributes 2% of GDP for Sweden. So we can't really say that Sweden has fisheries and forestry to support their economy. So, we can in fact compare sweden with Singapore.
Norway has North Sea oil, and is the richest amongst the Scandinavians because of it. Sweden and Finland have far more land than Singapore, and have fisheries and forestry industries. How many billions in aid has Israel received from the US in the form of direct funds and repatriation of monies from overseas Jews? And how is Israel thriving by the way, when even their own people are sickened by the current political situation with the polarisation of the hawks and doves?AWSP:
The scandinavian countries are no better endowed than singapore but they are thriving with bipartisan political system. So is Israel.
If you're interested, you may refer to the research work by MIT Prof - Acemoglu on political institutions and economic growth.
I am afraid your analogies hold no water, and this is coming from a non-economist.
Another argument is that if immigration is so good to boost quality growth, why didn't these countries resort to this solution for their growth? They have more land than us. -
Good article from today’s ZaoBao:
吴俊刚专栏
《百喻经》里有这样一个故事：
往昔之世，有个富有的愚人，看到另一个富豪的三层楼豪宅，美轮美奂，很是羡慕，于是叫来工匠，要求仿造。工匠于是开始挖地，准备施工。愚人很疑惑，就问工匠，我只要最高的第三层，不要下面那两层，你就给我造第三层好了。工匠说，不建一二层，怎建第三层？愚人却坚持只建第三层，时人听闻此事，无不怪而笑之。
现在有一些人倡议，新加坡应停止追求经济增长，只要保持眼前的水平就好了。这听起来就有点像只要第三层楼，而不要一二层。
不要经济增长的人认为，新加坡现在已经生活太紧张了，压力太大了，这一切都是因为政府追求经济增长的结果。因此，解决之道，是放慢脚步，或是停下来歇歇脚，把经济增长的速度调低，或是保持现状就好，不必竭力争取增长，更不必样样要世界第一。如此一来，我们就可以过上没有压力的生活，新加坡人的快乐（幸福）指数就会大大提高。
乍听起来，似乎有点道理，但只要想深一层，就会发现这是似是而非的理论。这当中牵涉到两个问题，一是需不需要经济增长的问题，二是经济增长速度问题。
首先，应该反问一下，我们是不是可以不必有经济增长？新加坡有什么条件不追求经济增长？我想答案很清楚，都是否定的。我们并不是坐落在喜玛拉雅山麓的不丹国。因此，我们也就没有条件像大部分不丹人那样，能靠着务农、牧羊为生，过上简单和看似快乐的生活。住在组屋里，你能过不丹人的生活吗？
我们是个没有天然资源的国家，靠的主要是为世界提供各种服务为生，比如港务、航空服务、金融服务；其次是出口。同时，我们生活在一个竞争激烈的全球化世界，无论是吸引外资或出口产品，都面对许多城市和国家的强烈竞争。如果新加坡不具备具竞争力的服务水平和条件，投资来源将会很快干涸，现有的投资也会因为我们不再具备竞争优势而撤离。
结果是，现有的工作会减少，新的工作则不会有，一些人将会失业，每年几万个刚离校的毕业生又将到哪里找工作？他们能如何在这里安家立命？所以，不增长是行不通的。
其次，有人说，那放慢增长总可以吧？当然可以，但是，你也得考虑后果。首先，必须说，在这个世界，像新加坡这样的国家，有没有增长，能有怎样的增长，绝大部分取决于外在因素，比如世界经济情况，发达国家的市场需求等等。这些并不是我们可以决定的。如果世界经济陷入衰退，新加坡即使要增长也没门，更不必奢谈什么放慢增长。
比如2001年美国发生恐怖袭击和2003年沙斯爆发所引起的世界性恐慌，以及与之俱来的经济大衰退，那是很可怕的。因此，当世界经济复苏时，你能不赶快把握时机，拼命增长吗？谁能保证，经济不会再起波澜？2008年不就爆发了金融风暴吗？新加坡人以为可以控制经济增长速度，就像一条在大海里航行的小船，自以为可以控制波涛的起伏不定，那是过度的自信，外人也许还会觉得我们很天真。
在人口白皮书中，政府希望我们今后7年每年能取得3%到5%的经济增长，而从2020年到2030年希望每年有2%到3%的增长。这也只是预期而已。谁能确定我们就能取得如此顺利的增长？反对党提出的方案则是，从现在到2020年，每年2.5%到3.5%增长，之后则是每年1.5%到2.5%增长。这可以说完全是纸上谈兵。如果经济增长真的可以任由一个政府如此随心所欲的“调控”，那今天就不会有那么多国家陷入种种经济和财政窘境了。
吸引外来投资和促进经济增长，是增加和制造新就业机会的不二法门。这就像三层楼房子的第一和第二层，不要增长而要就业，那只能是梦想。对那些已经“上岸”的人而言，有了屋子，有了汽车，有了银行存款，他们是可以选择歇一歇的，但千万不能要国家经济也停下脚步；否则，众多还在努力工作，希望改善生活的受薪阶级就要遭殃了。经济没有增长，也谈不上要更多的妇女出来就业，或是为退休者提供更多的重返职场的机会。
增长也是提升工人收入的不二法门，这就是俗话所说的要把饼做大。经济增长了，饼做大了，工人也才能分到更大的饼（收入）。这些看来都是很浅白的经济学；但是，一旦变成政治口水战的工具，肯定就要沦为数字游戏，一切的辩论也只是空谈与戏论。
作者是前新闻工作者、前国会议员 -
WeiHan:
A quick check shows that agriculture only contributes 2% of GDP for Sweden. So we can't really say that Sweden has fisheries and forestry to support their economy. So, we can in fact compare sweden with Singapore.
Norway has North Sea oil, and is the richest amongst the Scandinavians because of it. Sweden and Finland have far more land than Singapore, and have fisheries and forestry industries. How many billions in aid has Israel received from the US in the form of direct funds and repatriation of monies from overseas Jews? And how is Israel thriving by the way, when even their own people are sickened by the current political situation with the polarisation of the hawks and doves?3Boys:
[quote=\"AWSP\"] The scandinavian countries are no better endowed than singapore but they are thriving with bipartisan political system. So is Israel.
If you're interested, you may refer to the research work by MIT Prof - Acemoglu on political institutions and economic growth.
I am afraid your analogies hold no water, and this is coming from a non-economist.
Another argument is that if immigration is so good to boost quality growth, why didn't these countries resort to this solution for their growth? They have more land than us.[/quote]No you can't.
Sweden is a monarchy of a few centuries standing, Volvo is older than Singapore, they are located in a high cost, high education region.
Their situation is absolutely not comparable to Singapore.
Agriculture based industries contribute up to 6% of GDP or more, if you count things like paper products. Mining and related industries contributes a further 3%, conservatively.
Is this something Singapore can do?
This drives other industries like machine tools, vehicles, trucks, tractors. Can we do these also? Of course, but it's a natural win for them, they have a home market to sell to, we don't.
According to statistical figures, foreign born inhabitants in Sweden number just over 14% in 2010. There are 120,000 Iraqis in Sweden, 60,000 Iranians. In 2011, 1.4 million Swedish residents were born abroad. Not a trivial figure, is it? Hardly a closed society that you would make it out to be.
How about insulation from foreign competition?
Pray tell, what has happened to Saab? Who now owns Volvo cars? (Hint, an Asian company). Just because you think you can shut your economy to foreigners doesn't mean they can't trounce you worldwide and bankrupt you.
Plenty of lessons from Sweden, unfortunately you and others are learning all the wrong ones. -
pirate:
14.8% is rejected, but how many are unique case? i.e. not the same person reapply again.
Read this yourself and tell me again
http://news.asiaone.com/print/News/Latest%2BNews/Singapore/Story/A1Story20130115-395662.html
About 14.8% of applications (2,000 out of 13,500) by Singaporeans for LTVP for their spouses are rejected each year from 2007-2011. On the other hand only 7% of applications (300 out of 4,300) by PRs for LTVP for their spouses are rejected each year. On top of this, 4,300 spouses of Singaporeans are rejected for PR each year.
That is a lot of non-PR spouses. I seriously doubt that all or even a majority of them are offenders.
Don't take my word for it that it is a problem. Take his word.
http://hri-kumar.blogspot.sg/2012/03/foreign-spouse.html
I didn't say those who are rejected are definitely offenders, I'm saying offenders doesn't meant that they will be banned. (Which you seems very sure that offenders will not be given a visa or SVP at all). Which brings to my remark that ICA (govt) is not that inhumane.
For those cases who are rejected, there are many factors such as length of stay, income, qualifications, skills etc.. But for the case which you posted which seems to have met the requirements but always rejected for LTVP, it is very fishy.
I am just saying that there may be information which we are not aware of to make a fair judgement. We can't just take the letter at face value. Only ICA knows the full details when the applicants applied. -
It is not necessary to fully furnish the 1st and 2nd floor in order to have a grand 3rd floor.
Just need the basic structure and foundation for 1st and 2nd floor sufficient to hold the 3rd floor. Don’t spend unnecessary decorations and expenses for 1st and 2nd floor. That is what pple are asking for. It is unrealistic? I feel not. -
sunflower:
No one feel that perhaps govt wants to encourage SC-SC union..? :evil: :evil:
Hmm…this Marriage Pass suggestion seems to be quite a good idea.pirate:
Don't take my word for it that it is a problem. Take his word.
http://hri-kumar.blogspot.sg/2012/03/foreign-spouse.html
in other words.. will aware make noise if govt makes it easy for foreign bride..? :evil: :evil:
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