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pirate:

Coolkidsrock2:

But it is a fact of life that we will always feel that there are people who do not deserve to be promoted are promoted and it happens year in, year out.

:goodpost:
It is also a fact of life that sometimes we feel this way even though the other person is, on an objective basis, more deserving that we are of the promotion.

Pirate, this one (ie your post ) is the :goodpost:

[sinoboy]

pirate:

Coolkidsrock2:

But it is a fact of life that we will always feel that there are people who do not deserve to be promoted are promoted and it happens year in, year out.

:goodpost:
It is also a fact of life that sometimes we feel this way even though the other person is, on an objective basis, more deserving that we are of the promotion.

Unless you are at senior management level, there is no point feeling deserving or not. And what is objective? By objective measures overseas degrees are regarded as more qualified and by subjective measures someone said EQ or culture fit supposed to be more important than academic or professional qualifications. Who knows maybe your boss does not want to promote you because either you are too good and will one day in the near future climb above him or her, or simply just want to keep you working under him or her if you are a good yes man who doesn't complain. Boss just have to tell you that you are good but you lost on qualification because promotions are based on merits, nevermind fight for you again next year ok? Meanwhile continue to work hard.

[ChiefKiasu]

sinoboy:

To me there is a difference between promotion for overseas scholars and grads and local grads. Overseas scholars and grad promotion is an entitlement and it's assumed they can do no wrong. NATO never mind, just talk more to be more high profile and promotion will be faster. Judge by basic degree or MBA can already no need to look at capability. To the local grads they will say promotion is based on merits and you have to earn it by having right EQ and delivering results as we are a meritocrazy system. It's competition at different level and it happens year in year out. If given a choice I want to study overseas and have priority treatment also, right? :lightrod:

In the government admin service, exemplified by military service, promotion is based on computed estimated potential (CEP). If an employee has been identified as a person of great potential, he will be placed on an accelerated career path, regardless of whether he is a local or overseas grad. This CEP is evaluated throughout his career based on his performance at each step of the ladder he is climbing. The better his performance, the faster he gets promoted. If he stumbles at a particular rung, his ability to climb would be seriously hampered.

Your claim that overseas scholars get greater opportunity may be true in the sense that they are seen to have a greater potential, ie. CEP. After all, they did beat everyone else when they won those scholarships, did they not? So their opportunity to open doors is greater. But if they do not perform, those doors will remain closed to them.

In this respect, the system is truly meritocratic. You may argue that CEP is unfair to begin with, since there could be \"late bloomers\". But you can't deny that it is a better system than pure cronyism, where promotion is based entirely on networking and relationships.

[wonderm]

sinoboy:

ChiefKiasu:

[quote=\"Joule\"]...

and yes, I agree that really, especially in govt and stat boards, the overseas scholars get promoted first.
...

Perhaps we need to temper our observations with the fact that overseas scholars probably have more to prove to themselves and therefore work harder, which naturally means that they would seem to be more competent for that promotion. Unless, of course, we feel that they don't deserve the promotion because they are less capable than others?

To me there is a difference between promotion for overseas scholars and grads and local grads. Overseas scholars and grad promotion is an entitlement and it's assumed they can do no wrong. NATO never mind, just talk more to be more high profile and promotion will be faster. Judge by basic degree or MBA can already no need to look at capability. To the local grads they will say promotion is based on merits and you have to earn it by having right EQ and delivering results as we are a meritocrazy system. It's competition at different level and it happens year in year out. If given a choice I want to study overseas and have priority treatment also, right? :lightrod:[/quote]Sinoboy, given your strong view about overseas education, are you planning to sponsor your DC for an overseas education? since you are a parent now.

[sinoboy]

wonderm:

Sinoboy, given your strong view about overseas education, are you planning to sponsor your DC for an overseas education? since you are a parent now.

Yes and desperately saving up for DC to study overseas to ensure a higher chance for my DC to have a decent quality of life in the future. My DC already cannot compete with foreign kids in primary, secondary school and JC. Heard local uni already got a lot of foreign scholars paid to study here competing with locals. I might be wrong but if I don't arm my DC with an overseas degree, and given a few more years when population increase with influx of more qualified people, I don't think my DC can live comfortably. :scared:

[pirate]

sinoboy:

wonderm:

Sinoboy, given your strong view about overseas education, are you planning to sponsor your DC for an overseas education? since you are a parent now.

Yes and desperately saving up for DC to study overseas to ensure a higher chance to have a decent quality of life in the future. My DC already cannot compete with foreign kids in primary, secondary school and JC. Heard local uni already got a lot of foreign scholars paid to study here. I might be wrong but if I don't arm my kids with an overseas degree, and given a few more years when population increase with influx of more qualified people, I don't think my kids can live comfortably. :scared:

There is one small problem. Not all overseas universities are equal. To get into the kind of overseas universities you want for your DC \"to ensure a higher chance to have a decent quality of life in the future\", your DC will have to compete with the same kind of foreign kids they \"already cannot compete with... in primary, secondary school and JC\". So how? :scratchhead:

[sinoboy]

pirate:

sinoboy:

[quote=\"wonderm\"]
Sinoboy, given your strong view about overseas education, are you planning to sponsor your DC for an overseas education? since you are a parent now.

Yes and desperately saving up for DC to study overseas to ensure a higher chance to have a decent quality of life in the future. My DC already cannot compete with foreign kids in primary, secondary school and JC. Heard local uni already got a lot of foreign scholars paid to study here. I might be wrong but if I don't arm my kids with an overseas degree, and given a few more years when population increase with influx of more qualified people, I don't think my kids can live comfortably. :scared:

There is one small problem. Not all overseas universities are equal. To get into the kind of overseas universities you want for your DC \"to ensure a higher chance to have a decent quality of life in the future\", your DC will have to compete with the same kind of foreign kids they \"already cannot compete with... in primary, secondary school and JC\". So how? :scratchhead:[/quote]Good question. Not all overseas unis are equal. But in Singapore any kacang puteh university overseas degree from Europe, US, Australia is stronger than local ones, with the exception some protected segments like legal or medical profession. But somehow overseas trained lawyer or doctor also regarded as more qualified over here. Also a lot of people who experienced overseas education said foreign uni less stressful easier to compete because foreign kids don't study as hard so Singaporeans tend to do well even though they are mediocre back in Singapore. My DC are as hardworking and as kiasu as me so I think they would compete well overseas. Rather than letting my DC compete with fully paid Indian or Chinese scholars here to raise local uni standard, let the DC take a more relaxed path. After they come back from overseas they should climb faster and earn more than their peers. :celebrate:

[BeContented]

pirate:

sinoboy:

[quote=\"wonderm\"]
Sinoboy, given your strong view about overseas education, are you planning to sponsor your DC for an overseas education? since you are a parent now.

Yes and desperately saving up for DC to study overseas to ensure a higher chance to have a decent quality of life in the future. My DC already cannot compete with foreign kids in primary, secondary school and JC. Heard local uni already got a lot of foreign scholars paid to study here. I might be wrong but if I don't arm my kids with an overseas degree, and given a few more years when population increase with influx of more qualified people, I don't think my kids can live comfortably. :scared:

There is one small problem. Not all overseas universities are equal. To get into the kind of overseas universities you want for your DC \"to ensure a higher chance to have a decent quality of life in the future\", your DC will have to compete with the same kind of foreign kids they \"already cannot compete with... in primary, secondary school and JC\". So how? :scratchhead:[/quote]For a moment I was wondering if one can buy a place into those top foreign universities or any foreign university grad means more prospect than our local grads.
Dun scare me leh. :scared: i dun have means to send my kids overseas, so die die have to look at local Uni only.

[pirate]

sinoboy:

Good question. Not all overseas unis are equal. But in Singapore any kacang puteh university overseas degree from Europe, US, Australia is stronger than local ones, with the exception some protected segments like legal or medical profession.

Alas, you are seriously misinformed.

[Harlequin]

pirate:

sinoboy:

Good question. Not all overseas unis are equal. But in Singapore any kacang puteh university overseas degree from Europe, US, Australia is stronger than local ones, with the exception some protected segments like legal or medical profession.

Alas, you are seriously misinformed.

...... I have seen too many overseas grads having hard time landing a job, especially those pumped-money-grads. Perhaps those are not in sinoboy's radar ..... yet!