Foreign Workers
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limlim:
The MNCs will just move out. The SMEs will not survive. Spore suffers at the end of the day.
If there is no foreigners, the company can still get locals for, say, additional 20% salary. It is the presence of these foreigners that prevented the company from rising wages to attract suitable local talents.Musings:
I have personal friends in spouse company (degree holders) who lament about remote location of the plant and quit...Cases like this abound in spouse company. Nobody can fault you for making this personal choice but let's not turn around and slam the foreigner who is willing to come in to take on the job.
So, why can't locals slam the foreigners who is willing to come CHEAP and took away the job that would else go to locals at premium wage? -
Last time when I visit food court , the one preparing my noodle will be local aunties. After the flood gate open, those cooking for u in the food court r mostly PRC.
Where did all those local aunties go? R they holding higher position somewhere else or issit these aunties r force out of job. -
limlim:
Nope.. The word \"Jurong\" scares them as if it is on the other side of the world. They over-think about the distance and prefer to work nearer to their home. I received a look of surprise from my FT employer when I dismissed that distance isn't an issue ( I was staying at Punggol before) as that seem to be the main grouse they receive from locals.
Essentially, a mis-match of expectations? Is it fair to just say that Singaporeans are choosy? For every 10 Singaporeans that reject a $4k job, I believe, 1000 Singaporeans wants the job badly..verykiasu2010:
$4k per month finance assistant position (below manager rank) in Jurong, 5 day week, no OT, factory transport aircon coach provided
$4k is so much higher than many engineering/technical jobs requiring a degree!
ok.. OT too much.. but just find it difficult to accept/understand why those pple reject the $4k job.. -
puff:
the local aunties cannot get higher pay and prefer to shake legs at homeLast time when I visit food court , the one preparing my noodle will be local aunties. After the flood gate open, those cooking for u in the food court r mostly PRC.
Where did all those local aunties go? R they holding higher position somewhere else or issit these aunties r force out of job.
they are not forced out of a job. they force the biz owner to hire foreigners. please don't think it is easy to lobby MOM to increase ratio of foreign workers
to the biz owner, the basic pay for foreign workers may be lower, but when you add up the FWL, dorm cost, insurance etc etc it is the same cost as local auntie
so to the biz owner there is no additional profit but these people will not complain about standing for 8 hours a day
local auntie will gossip and complain and want more benefits etc
to maintain a stable biz operating environment, foreign worker is preferred over local auntie....that is business.....or do I see stones coming at me ?
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Kissgurami:
Nope.. The word \"Jurong\" scares them as if it is on the other side of the world. They over-think about the distance and prefer to work nearer to their home. I received a look of surprise from my FT employer when I dismissed that distance isn't an issue ( I was staying at Punggol before) as that seem to be the main grouse they receive from locals.[/quote]EXACTLY. Some Singaporean are pampered too much and whine a lot. Pointing fingers at others without realising four fingers are pointing back at themselves. Sigh !
Essentially, a mis-match of expectations? Is it fair to just say that Singaporeans are choosy? For every 10 Singaporeans that reject a $4k job, I believe, 1000 Singaporeans wants the job badly..limlim:
[quote=\"verykiasu2010\"]
$4k per month finance assistant position (below manager rank) in Jurong, 5 day week, no OT, factory transport aircon coach provided
$4k is so much higher than many engineering/technical jobs requiring a degree!
ok.. OT too much.. but just find it difficult to accept/understand why those pple reject the $4k job.. -
verykiasu2010:
Maersk move out not bcoz there is no foreigner workers, so please don't mix the 2 issues together..
more like locals refuse to work there rather than company refuses to employ locals.
yes, cost is an issue and it is not simply no loss to locals ...... economics is not simple
don't forget the saga of PSA versus Maersk Lines ......
got to look at the larger picture
I'm talking about companies that would move out due to no foreigner workers. If they can move, they would have moved, whether or not there is large supply of foreign workers. The reason they didn't move could be other factors such as security/geographic etc.. and they're just try to short-change local workers to up their profit.
I don't buy the argument that w/o foreigner workers locals would lose jobs..
But with foreign workers, wages gets suppressed and companies grow richer.
If the Govt have controlled the foreign workforce better, the situation might not have been so bad.. but now it's like indiscriminate flooding.. -
Thought to share this:
Can Singapore wean itself off cheap foreign labour?
http://sg.news.yahoo.com/blogs/singaporescene/singapore-wean-itself-off-cheap-foreign-labour-011454837.html -
verykiasu2010:
Too little details to make a fair judgement. Are you looking for $6k/mth grade employees but only willing to pay $4k/mth that's why all those who is willing to accept $4k/mth got rejected?
many this kind of examples lah -
Kissgurami:
If they're willing to offer a 20% premium, I'll take up the job anytime.. Even thou I stay in the East.
Nope.. The word \"Jurong\" scares them as if it is on the other side of the world. They over-think about the distance and prefer to work nearer to their home. I received a look of surprise from my FT employer when I dismissed that distance isn't an issue ( I was staying at Punggol before) as that seem to be the main grouse they receive from locals. -
limlim:
They offered 35%
If they're willing to offer a 20% premium, I'll take up the job anytime.. Even thou I stay in the East.Kissgurami:
Nope.. The word \"Jurong\" scares them as if it is on the other side of the world. They over-think about the distance and prefer to work nearer to their home. I received a look of surprise from my FT employer when I dismissed that distance isn't an issue ( I was staying at Punggol before) as that seem to be the main grouse they receive from locals.
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