Hwa Chong Institution (High School)
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wonderm:
Thanks for the idea. He just told me 2 days ago that his club may organise some events during the June holiday.
Your DS can do self initiated CIP, beyond those organized by school. Ask him to find out where he can get the CIP forms, need to be filled by him and the organization he volunteered in. When my DS was in Sec 1, he initiated and organized visits to old folks homes for his classmates, during school holiday. -
I forgot how to check test dates. Appreciate it if someone shares the portal to go to for students & parents to check test dates. Tks!
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The MSG cut-off for Q class used to be 4. Q class is now renamed SIP and the cut-off changed to 3.
I find this counter intuitive. When we attended the S1 symposium the communication was this:
Sec 1- MSG 5
Sec 2 - MSG 4
Sec 3 & 4 - MSG 3
I thought this is reasonable with a gradual raising of bar. Now it’s suddently changed to MSG 3 at Sec 2. And when in SIP class you have to bear the uncertainty of whether you’ll continue with O level or IP for another year. It’s like putting constant pressure to meet the grade. So in the ends it’s all the grades and exams that matters. -
[quote=“mkkiasu”]The MSG cut-off for Q class used to be 4. Q class is now renamed SIP and the cut-off changed to 3.
I find this counter intuitive. When we attended the S1 symposium the communication was this:
Sec 1- MSG 5
Sec 2 - MSG 4
Sec 3 & 4 - MSG 3
I thought this is reasonable with a gradual raising of bar. Now it’s suddently changed to MSG 3 at Sec 2. And when in SIP class you have to bear the uncertainty of whether you’ll continue with O level or IP for another year. It’s like putting constant pressure to meet the grade. So in the ends it’s all the grades and exams that matters.[/quote
I think it is more to protect those who cant cope with the ip syllabus or sleep through and have not waken up at end of sec 3, to at least have a chance to do o level and have alternatives. The local uni entry requires 4 grade A for A level in most coursez nowadays is the most pressurize. Last time where got like that. How to dun emphasize on grade down the stream? With o level cert at least can go oversea, or poly or come out and work. -
Otah:
According to the school it will be 1 class in each consortium for sec 3, and ultimately 1 class of 'O' level at sec 4. That means about 1/4 of cohort will be put to SIP class in sec 3.mkkiasu:
The MSG cut-off for Q class used to be 4. Q class is now renamed SIP and the cut-off changed to 3.
I find this counter intuitive. When we attended the S1 symposium the communication was this:
Sec 1- MSG 5
Sec 2 - MSG 4
Sec 3 & 4 - MSG 3
I thought this is reasonable with a gradual raising of bar. Now it's suddently changed to MSG 3 at Sec 2. And when in SIP class you have to bear the uncertainty of whether you'll continue with O level or IP for another year. It's like putting constant pressure to meet the grade. So in the ends it's all the grades and exams that matters.[/quote
I think it is more to protect those who cant cope with the ip syllabus or sleep through and have not waken up at end of sec 3, to at least have a chance to do o level and have alternatives. The local uni entry requires 4 grade A for A level in most coursez nowadays is the most pressurize. Last time where got like that. How to dun emphasize on grade down the stream? With o level cert at least can go oversea, or poly or come out and work.
In the past they managed with 1 class in the whole cohort in sec 3, so now 4x as many will be 'stream' to SIP. It's seems quite pointless to have this IP programme then. -
May be they find it is better to give more wake up calls at sec three else if these students drag on to yr 5 may continue to slag n in the end cant do well in their A level. From what i know sip is still following ip syllabus but the classes r more structure more close monitoring given to these students. Good for them right ?
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mkkiasu:
The key phrase is - \"In the past\" because more and more top of the cream choose the other IP school.
According to the school it will be 1 class in each consortium for sec 3, and ultimately 1 class of 'O' level at sec 4. That means about 1/4 of cohort will be put to SIP class in sec 3.
In the past they managed with 1 class in the whole cohort in sec 3, so now 4x as many will be 'stream' to SIP. It's seems quite pointless to have this IP programme then.
So do these top schools really have good teachers that can teach or smart students? As smart students migrate the answer is obvious.
HCI will be leveled with all other IP schools eventually hence more O level classes is in the making.
SIP is a safety net to catch this group of student that might need another route for their education pathway to study in peace. Or should they bulldoze their way in via tuition? :scratchhead: -
looking4Tutor:
But they mentioned the O level class will still be 1 at sec 4, so I believe the SIP (structure IP) classes is to help pull back those might be drifted off in their study during their teens. The ultimate JC is HCJC which will continue to make a difference.
The key phrase is - \"In the past\" because more and more top of the cream choose the other IP school.mkkiasu:
According to the school it will be 1 class in each consortium for sec 3, and ultimately 1 class of 'O' level at sec 4. That means about 1/4 of cohort will be put to SIP class in sec 3.
In the past they managed with 1 class in the whole cohort in sec 3, so now 4x as many will be 'stream' to SIP. It's seems quite pointless to have this IP programme then.
So do these top schools really have good teachers that can teach or smart students? As smart students migrate the answer is obvious.
HCI will be leveled with all other IP schools eventually hence more O level classes is in the making.
SIP is a safety net to catch this group of student that might need another route for their education pathway to study in peace. Or should they bulldoze their way in via tuition? :scratchhead: -
Otah:
But they mentioned the O level class will still be 1 at sec 4, so I believe the SIP (structure IP) classes is to help pull back those might be drifted off in their study during their teens. The ultimate JC is HCJC which will continue to make a difference.[/quote]I think my point is - they didn't seem to suffer in A level results before this new SIP scheme. Unless there were more drop-outs of the IP programme than is known.
The key phrase is - \"In the past\" because more and more top of the cream choose the other IP school.looking4Tutor:
[quote=\"mkkiasu\"]
According to the school it will be 1 class in each consortium for sec 3, and ultimately 1 class of 'O' level at sec 4. That means about 1/4 of cohort will be put to SIP class in sec 3.
In the past they managed with 1 class in the whole cohort in sec 3, so now 4x as many will be 'stream' to SIP. It's seems quite pointless to have this IP programme then.
So do these top schools really have good teachers that can teach or smart students? As smart students migrate the answer is obvious.
HCI will be leveled with all other IP schools eventually hence more O level classes is in the making.
SIP is a safety net to catch this group of student that might need another route for their education pathway to study in peace. Or should they bulldoze their way in via tuition? :scratchhead:
I thought with the IP programme, students have more time to pursue their interests and worry less about the results until Sec 3 or 4 (which I thought the previous MSG reqt bar raising schedule was reasonable). With the SIP programme and a bigger pool streamed in Sec 2, naturally students will gravitate back to exam-focused. So what's the point of IP. -
Oh, how are they going to cope with the O level? In Sec 1 the boys dun take Geography and the History syallabus is also different (Not Asian History)...
mkkiasu:
According to the school it will be 1 class in each consortium for sec 3, and ultimately 1 class of 'O' level at sec 4. That means about 1/4 of cohort will be put to SIP class in sec 3.Otah:
[quote=\"mkkiasu\"]The MSG cut-off for Q class used to be 4. Q class is now renamed SIP and the cut-off changed to 3.
I find this counter intuitive. When we attended the S1 symposium the communication was this:
Sec 1- MSG 5
Sec 2 - MSG 4
Sec 3 & 4 - MSG 3
I thought this is reasonable with a gradual raising of bar. Now it's suddently changed to MSG 3 at Sec 2. And when in SIP class you have to bear the uncertainty of whether you'll continue with O level or IP for another year. It's like putting constant pressure to meet the grade. So in the ends it's all the grades and exams that matters.[/quote
I think it is more to protect those who cant cope with the ip syllabus or sleep through and have not waken up at end of sec 3, to at least have a chance to do o level and have alternatives. The local uni entry requires 4 grade A for A level in most coursez nowadays is the most pressurize. Last time where got like that. How to dun emphasize on grade down the stream? With o level cert at least can go oversea, or poly or come out and work.
In the past they managed with 1 class in the whole cohort in sec 3, so now 4x as many will be 'stream' to SIP. It's seems quite pointless to have this IP programme then.[/quote]