Any Updates As To When PSLE T-Scores Will Be Scrapped?

[phtthp]

dimsum:

I believe MOE will still rely on raw marks to decide whether the students go to Expres

s/NA/NT?
Because I dont see how it is possible to assign based on broad grade bands.

parents only know what points their P6 child scored, but won't know what is the child's Total Raw score.
Internally, MOE record & keep track, monitor each P6 student's Raw score, but MOE won't disclose info to parents. Parents are kept in the dark.

suppose some P6 students could not enter Top Secondary school (in one of their 6 choices), so they go and appeal.
Since parents no idea what their child's Raw score is, the appeal become difficult, because appeal on what basis, what ground ?

maybe some appeal may succeed, while other appeal fail, even though they may fall into the same band.

example

two students X and Y : both scored 4A1, for 4 subjects at PSLE
(English, Maths, Science, Chinese)
their score each ==> 4 point (as A1 represent 1 point)

let's look at current \"O\" level scoring system

A1: 75 and above
A2: 70 to 74

B3: 65 to 69
B4: 60 to 64

C5: 55 to 59
C6: 50 to 54

D7: 45 to 49

E8: 40 to 45

F9: 39 and below

notice that A1 band is very wide, ranging from 75 to 100 ?

although both students (X and Y) may fall into the same band A1, but due to wide range of A1, their Total Raw score can be very far from each other.

eg
suppose student X scored 75 marks, per subject
Total Raw score = 75 x 4 subjects = 300

suppose student Y scored 99 marks, per subject
Total Raw score = 99 x 4 = 396

difference ?
396 - 300 = 96 marks, big difference, isn't it ?

after appeal, maybe student Y appeal can succeed, while student X fail, even though both happen to fall into the same A1 band.
End up confusion after appeal, parents start complain, \"why my son cannot enter Top school, whereas my neighbour's son downstairs can ? both of them also 4A1, what ! Not fair ! ...\"

[Ikid]

[quote]Using \"leadership\" to gain entry to top secondary schools is totally crap! At least in my son's school, the selection is totally unfair, biased or whatev[/quote]
To a certain extent, yes!
Leadership role could be attained due to the child's popularity or teachers' favouritism.
Knew of a school's head prefect was selected as she's a teacher's DD, academic is good but not the cohort's choice to be the head prefect.

[Ikid]

[quote]does it mean only prefect can score points, whereas zero point for the rep ?[/quote

Subject reps’ role is minor, hence doesn’t carry points?

[zulu]

Er... understand the angst among parents but surely this is no reason to put down the girls in leadership roles?

[pirate]

phtthp:

after appeal, maybe student Y appeal can succeed, while student X fail, even though both happen to fall into the same A1 band.
End up confusion after appeal, parents start complain, \"why my son cannot enter Top school, whereas my neighbour's son downstairs can ? both of them also 4A1, what ! Not fair ! ...\"

Since parents will still be dissatisfied after appeal, then abolish appeals altogether lor. Complete waste of resources. :evil:

[bggb]

Ikid:

[quote]Using \"leadership\" to gain entry to top secondary schools is totally crap! At least in my son's school, the selection is totally unfair, biased or whatev

To a certain extent, yes!
Leadership role could be attained due to the child's popularity or teachers' favouritism.
Knew of a school's head prefect was selected as she's a teacher's DD, academic is good but not the cohort's choice to be the head prefect.[/quote]Yes, it is very common. Teacher's son or daughter holding key leadership role in school. After all, it is all about connection.

[pirate]

Ikid:

Leadership role could be attained due to the child's popularity

Isn't this what our democracy is all about? Otherwise, why we have general elections every few years? :siam:

[bggb]

Learning Lab should start a programme for boys to 'Ace the Leadership Selection'. In this course, you will learn how to behave, how to impress.

[sushi88]

Why learning lab? Behaviour learning begins at home.


To be candid, why worry so much about leadership being taken by the girls at schooling age?
Look around the cabinet and management of the many corporates, are there more women in the leadership positions or men? Things fall into place eventually.

We spend too much of our time fighting all the wrong battles.

[lee_yl]

I am curious how is MOE going to differentiate between the top 10% for IP and the rest for express and normal streams?


In one sense, the idea of being able to differentiate the top 10% of the cohort for IP, goes against the idea of grade banding where one’s competency in the subjects is measured individually instead of cohort comparison.

If there are too many eligible applicants to RI, probably have to conduct an open ballot to decide who gets accepted. Else parents would soon know that the top few boys from different primary schools consistently get in which would imply that MOE is still using some t-score for cohort ranking and not fully subscribing to the story of grade banding.