Any Updates As To When PSLE T-Scores Will Be Scrapped?
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XYZ1:
Probably...There'll always be competitive students amid us who continually strive for perfection and excellence...but they will be disappointed that they are grouped with the slightly less excellent ones in the same pot. The highly excellent ones would probably have gone into GEP or have DSAed months before PSLE.
Agree fully, the excellent have always stood out and will continue to stand out no matter what, 30-40 years ago when the top 20% students were more spread out into more sec schools, did it undermine the metritocracy spirit that our education systems aim to achieve? I would say not....students continue to strive for excellence.floppy:
The Excellent will always stand out.
The sense of \"injustice\" (read: \"sian-ness\") may not be felt so strongly at 12 yr old. More so when they graduate? Like the e.g. I gave on non-grad NIE teachers whose starting salaries are on par with grad ones, after the salary revamp. Think of someone with 9 points who got into a good JC then NUS to become a teacher, versus the 18-pointer who got into poly, then NTU to become a teacher. Same same $$ now. -
Nebbermind:
It takes a whole village to raise a kid, so maybe more support like childcare subsidies please for this underprivileged kid's parents. Or bring tuition closer to home? Or speed up the building of subsidised school-based student care centres?When the question on why a underprivileged kid has not been attending the free tuition class was posted to her...
Response - \"I need to babysit my younger brothers/sisters\"
Sad truth.
NBM can be their pro bono tutor. :siam: -
Nebbermind:
The merged sec schools?
Then where do those kids who have tattoos, smoke and have casual sex go to? :siam:sushi88:
I thought tier 2 already worked on....the dual track schools with IP and O levels?
Now they are working on other tiers to make all schools attractive to parents in some way rather than 'all schools are good schools\". Another thing they have done is closed down those schools completely unattractive and in excess due to declining population and did a consolidation. This exercise is ongoing.
Tier 2 launch of IP schools seems like a success with parents.
They will have distinctive programmes to keep them at bay in lower-tier schools. They also get to join OBS camps which hopefully will help instil better discipline in them - like real.
Wait, if they combine good sec schools (the atas or brilliant ones) and not so good sec schools (those with tattoos, who smoke & have casual sex type) for their proposed Sec 3 OBS camps, won't there be \"mayhem\" on Coney Island?
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Funz:
Isn't the whole point of this is not to sift too finely at too early a stage?
Yes, but the self selected lot has chosen otherwise
See above poll. :siam: -
jetsetter:
May I explain some flaw that I see
In any case, I questioned if this bodes well for Singapore in the long run as competition for highly skilled talents in the region intensifies. Will the Excellent who will soon be grouped and rewarded the same way as the Very Good and Good, be demoralised and not strive for perfection and excellence? Will the Excellent become complacent and ask, \"Why should I go the extra mile, since I'm going to be clustered with the slightly lesser ingredients anyway?\" By the same token, the lesser ingredients will hurray, \"No need to 'piah' like mad or be too kiasu, I will most likely be in that BIGGER pot now, and I too can go to the top restaurants.\"
So over time, the hierarchy goes flatter and flatter, as the Mediocre gets mashed together with the Excellent, and the Excellent no longer stands out on 1 platter by itself...The exquisite taste of the finer ingredients gets lost and buried amid the other ingredients, including some broccoli.
1. This is assuming that PSLE and T score are an extremely accurate method to test the talent and abilities of children in academics. So if T-score is excellent, the student is excellent and t-score is very good then the student cannot be excellent.
Yes it is good, yet to find a better method that fairly tests and ranks students but is it foolproof ?
The A level results and o level results do not necessarily correspond to the T scores. And the gender difference does pop up too.
Even in schools where the classes are grouped by PSLe scores in Sec1 and 2, there is regrouping from Sec3. Our elite schools clearly feel the edge one had at 12 may change in 2 years
Clearly there are more forces at work. PSLE is not omnipotent .
Honestly, the primary school content is quite narrow , so hard work and drilling can compensate quite a bit for ability. Hard work and perseverance are great attributes but sometimes there is only so much time in a day. And secondary school has a demanding schedule.
2. Even in the same pot, excellence will be rewarded - top performers in school, more opportunities and options to shine in competitions etc
All be in the same pot, but when uni's pick you they compare you with the rest in the pot. Not juicy enough, not fresh enough , not tender enough - you might not get select, you may not get your choice. -
Sun_2010:
RE: (1) Actually, methinks no scoring system is foolproof. You're absolutely right that the regrouping at the end of Sec2, Sec4 and JC2 will continue to sieve out the 'excellent' from the 'average' in each stream.
May I explain some flaw that I seejetsetter:
In any case, I questioned if this bodes well for Singapore in the long run as competition for highly skilled talents in the region intensifies. Will the Excellent who will soon be grouped and rewarded the same way as the Very Good and Good, be demoralised and not strive for perfection and excellence? Will the Excellent become complacent and ask, \"Why should I go the extra mile, since I'm going to be clustered with the slightly lesser ingredients anyway?\" By the same token, the lesser ingredients will hurray, \"No need to 'piah' like mad or be too kiasu, I will most likely be in that BIGGER pot now, and I too can go to the top restaurants.\"
So over time, the hierarchy goes flatter and flatter, as the Mediocre gets mashed together with the Excellent, and the Excellent no longer stands out on 1 platter by itself...The exquisite taste of the finer ingredients gets lost and buried amid the other ingredients, including some broccoli.
1. This is assuming that PSLE and T score are an extremely accurate method to test the talent and abilities of children in academics. So if T-score is excellent, the student is excellent and t-score is very good then the student cannot be excellent.
Yes it is good, yet to find a better method that fairly tests and ranks students but is it foolproof ?
The A level results and o level results do not necessarily correspond to the T scores. And the gender difference does pop up too.
Even in schools where the classes are grouped by PSLe scores in Sec1 and 2, there is regrouping from Sec3. Our elite schools clearly feel the edge one had at 12 may change in 2 years
Clearly there are more forces at work. PSLE is not omnipotent .
Honestly, the primary school content is quite narrow , so hard work and drilling can compensate quite a bit for ability. Hard work and perseverance are great attributes but sometimes there is only so much time in a day. And secondary school has a demanding schedule.
2. Even in the same pot, excellence will be rewarded - top performers in school, more opportunities and options to shine in competitions etc
All be in the same pot, but when uni's pick you they compare you with the rest in the pot. Not juicy enough, not fresh enough , not tender enough - you might not get select, you may not get your choice.
RE: (2), glad that you pointed out. Excellence exists in each and every pot, at all levels. That's probably what MOE wants parents to recognise. They need more buy-in
I'm sure you're one of the handful who believe that wider bands will benefit our future gens. :rahrah:
Not sure what's the diff between the boys and girls though
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jetsetter:
for the new banding system (impact PSLE 2021 batch, & after) :
It's the fine-grained T-score that's making some parents from dunno where stressed out.
Why should the 259 abalone get into HCI when my 256 prawn is also not bad leh? We should be in the same mixed pot!
on PSLE certificate, besides printing out the actual Band score (eg : print out (3A1, 1B) or 4A1 or (2A1, 2B) combination onto PSLE cert, etc), is it possible also to print out the Total Raw score, for 4 subjects ?
(since no more T-score, but Raw score still there)
this way, info become more Transparent to P6 students/parents:
at least P6 student know how he/she achieved his/her own (3A1, 1B) score combination, or 4A1 combination, etc : since A1 band is so wide range (from 75 to 100, spanning over a broad range of 25 marks difference)
are they going to use the existing O level score system, or fine tune even further, like breakdown at every interval of 10 marks, say -
91 to 100 : fall under A1 band ?
81 to 90 : A2 band
71 to 80 : A3 band
(something like that)
if fine tune by every 5 marks interval, grain even more fine :
96 to 100 : A1 band
91 to 95 : A2
86 to 90 : A3
81 to 85 : A4
76 to 80 : A5,
then the B band, C band, D band follow, etc -
sleepy:
so far, primary schools have Wushu Cca, but no εζ₯
Yes. Ip man. He's so cool right?
No idea if can dsa εζ₯. I've never done any research on that
will be good, if primary schools can start εζ₯ Cca -
jetsetter:
Hmm... I don't have any stats but usually in upper primary and JC, quite a few the boys who were quite playful and immature in the lower secondary , start to show a marked change. They go on to get serious about their acads and competitive and show a jump in their results. Something to do with puberty and awakening ok ok I :spank: myself
Not sure what's the diff between the boys and girls though -
Just curious, top schools usually are highly sought after. Donβt forget, mixing prawns & har bee together in a big pot also could mean for every har bee they take in, they have to let go 1 lobster or 1 abalone. How many parents can take it when their lobster cannot get into RI/HCI/ACSI/NUSH etc (childβs dream school) due to limited seats taken up by har bees and not because their children donβt qualify
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