Any Updates As To When PSLE T-Scores Will Be Scrapped?
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jetsetter:
May I explain some flaw that I see
In any case, I questioned if this bodes well for Singapore in the long run as competition for highly skilled talents in the region intensifies. Will the Excellent who will soon be grouped and rewarded the same way as the Very Good and Good, be demoralised and not strive for perfection and excellence? Will the Excellent become complacent and ask, \"Why should I go the extra mile, since I'm going to be clustered with the slightly lesser ingredients anyway?\" By the same token, the lesser ingredients will hurray, \"No need to 'piah' like mad or be too kiasu, I will most likely be in that BIGGER pot now, and I too can go to the top restaurants.\"
So over time, the hierarchy goes flatter and flatter, as the Mediocre gets mashed together with the Excellent, and the Excellent no longer stands out on 1 platter by itself...The exquisite taste of the finer ingredients gets lost and buried amid the other ingredients, including some broccoli.
1. This is assuming that PSLE and T score are an extremely accurate method to test the talent and abilities of children in academics. So if T-score is excellent, the student is excellent and t-score is very good then the student cannot be excellent.
Yes it is good, yet to find a better method that fairly tests and ranks students but is it foolproof ?
The A level results and o level results do not necessarily correspond to the T scores. And the gender difference does pop up too.
Even in schools where the classes are grouped by PSLe scores in Sec1 and 2, there is regrouping from Sec3. Our elite schools clearly feel the edge one had at 12 may change in 2 years
Clearly there are more forces at work. PSLE is not omnipotent .
Honestly, the primary school content is quite narrow , so hard work and drilling can compensate quite a bit for ability. Hard work and perseverance are great attributes but sometimes there is only so much time in a day. And secondary school has a demanding schedule.
2. Even in the same pot, excellence will be rewarded - top performers in school, more opportunities and options to shine in competitions etc
All be in the same pot, but when uni's pick you they compare you with the rest in the pot. Not juicy enough, not fresh enough , not tender enough - you might not get select, you may not get your choice. -
Sun_2010:
RE: (1) Actually, methinks no scoring system is foolproof. You're absolutely right that the regrouping at the end of Sec2, Sec4 and JC2 will continue to sieve out the 'excellent' from the 'average' in each stream.
May I explain some flaw that I seejetsetter:
In any case, I questioned if this bodes well for Singapore in the long run as competition for highly skilled talents in the region intensifies. Will the Excellent who will soon be grouped and rewarded the same way as the Very Good and Good, be demoralised and not strive for perfection and excellence? Will the Excellent become complacent and ask, \"Why should I go the extra mile, since I'm going to be clustered with the slightly lesser ingredients anyway?\" By the same token, the lesser ingredients will hurray, \"No need to 'piah' like mad or be too kiasu, I will most likely be in that BIGGER pot now, and I too can go to the top restaurants.\"
So over time, the hierarchy goes flatter and flatter, as the Mediocre gets mashed together with the Excellent, and the Excellent no longer stands out on 1 platter by itself...The exquisite taste of the finer ingredients gets lost and buried amid the other ingredients, including some broccoli.
1. This is assuming that PSLE and T score are an extremely accurate method to test the talent and abilities of children in academics. So if T-score is excellent, the student is excellent and t-score is very good then the student cannot be excellent.
Yes it is good, yet to find a better method that fairly tests and ranks students but is it foolproof ?
The A level results and o level results do not necessarily correspond to the T scores. And the gender difference does pop up too.
Even in schools where the classes are grouped by PSLe scores in Sec1 and 2, there is regrouping from Sec3. Our elite schools clearly feel the edge one had at 12 may change in 2 years
Clearly there are more forces at work. PSLE is not omnipotent .
Honestly, the primary school content is quite narrow , so hard work and drilling can compensate quite a bit for ability. Hard work and perseverance are great attributes but sometimes there is only so much time in a day. And secondary school has a demanding schedule.
2. Even in the same pot, excellence will be rewarded - top performers in school, more opportunities and options to shine in competitions etc
All be in the same pot, but when uni's pick you they compare you with the rest in the pot. Not juicy enough, not fresh enough , not tender enough - you might not get select, you may not get your choice.
RE: (2), glad that you pointed out. Excellence exists in each and every pot, at all levels. That's probably what MOE wants parents to recognise. They need more buy-in
I'm sure you're one of the handful who believe that wider bands will benefit our future gens. :rahrah:
Not sure what's the diff between the boys and girls though
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jetsetter:
for the new banding system (impact PSLE 2021 batch, & after) :
It's the fine-grained T-score that's making some parents from dunno where stressed out.
Why should the 259 abalone get into HCI when my 256 prawn is also not bad leh? We should be in the same mixed pot!
on PSLE certificate, besides printing out the actual Band score (eg : print out (3A1, 1B) or 4A1 or (2A1, 2B) combination onto PSLE cert, etc), is it possible also to print out the Total Raw score, for 4 subjects ?
(since no more T-score, but Raw score still there)
this way, info become more Transparent to P6 students/parents:
at least P6 student know how he/she achieved his/her own (3A1, 1B) score combination, or 4A1 combination, etc : since A1 band is so wide range (from 75 to 100, spanning over a broad range of 25 marks difference)
are they going to use the existing O level score system, or fine tune even further, like breakdown at every interval of 10 marks, say -
91 to 100 : fall under A1 band ?
81 to 90 : A2 band
71 to 80 : A3 band
(something like that)
if fine tune by every 5 marks interval, grain even more fine :
96 to 100 : A1 band
91 to 95 : A2
86 to 90 : A3
81 to 85 : A4
76 to 80 : A5,
then the B band, C band, D band follow, etc -
sleepy:
so far, primary schools have Wushu Cca, but no 咏春
Yes. Ip man. He's so cool right?
No idea if can dsa 咏春. I've never done any research on that
will be good, if primary schools can start 咏春 Cca -
jetsetter:
Hmm... I don't have any stats but usually in upper primary and JC, quite a few the boys who were quite playful and immature in the lower secondary , start to show a marked change. They go on to get serious about their acads and competitive and show a jump in their results. Something to do with puberty and awakening ok ok I :spank: myself
Not sure what's the diff between the boys and girls though -
Just curious, top schools usually are highly sought after. Don’t forget, mixing prawns & har bee together in a big pot also could mean for every har bee they take in, they have to let go 1 lobster or 1 abalone. How many parents can take it when their lobster cannot get into RI/HCI/ACSI/NUSH etc (child’s dream school) due to limited seats taken up by har bees and not because their children don’t qualify
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lee_yl:
Just curious, top schools usually are highly sought after. Don't forget, mixing prawns & har bee together in a big pot also could mean for every har bee they take in, they have to let go 1 lobster or 1 abalone. How many parents can take it when their lobster cannot get into RI/HCI/ACSI/NUSH etc (child's dream school) due to limited seats taken up by har bees and not because their children don't qualify
in that case meritocracy becomes 骂你多该死 -
Many parents are ‘Is ok, cannot go top school, 2nd tier also good, nearer to home, not so competitive, then my child will have more opportunity to shine, lower school fees, etc.’
But when their child performs well, they will be ‘Don’t opt for top school is like wasted huh? School brand is still important, will look good in their records.’ Can or cannot cope, enter first then think how to solve the coping problem.
So ultimately parents will still push their kids to perform well, set a higher goal for the children to achieve.
Even in tier 2, 3, 4 schools, there will still be ranking, the type of students in the school, the Principal, the teachers, the location of the school, etc.
Hence, in order to let their child enter the parents’ choice of schools, many will still push the child to achieve good results and try to groom them to be above others to increase their chances of entering their desired school.
So whatever systems we have, we will encourage our child to achieve excellency and stress will still be present.
I would think if these 12-yo kids can take the challenge, they can soar higher. Parents need to do balancing, take care of their own expectations of their own kids. When your kid cannot run fast, you don’t stop other kids to slow down.
Instead give your child full support and tell your kid even if he/she is not the winner, in the parents’ view, our own child will always be the winner in any aspect. -
lee_yl:
Just curious, top schools usually are highly sought after. Don't forget, mixing prawns & har bee together in a big pot also could mean for every har bee they take in, they have to let go 1 lobster or 1 abalone. How many parents can take it when their lobster cannot get into RI/HCI/ACSI/NUSH etc (child's dream school) due to limited seats taken up by har bees and not because their children don't qualify
But many parents think their kids are lobster. Force feed the haybees to look like baby lobster. But then discover later haybee is still haybee, and no matter how force feed also cannot grow as big as a lobster. Then lagi more stress.
PSLE T-scores cannot tell the difference between force fed haybee and baby lobster. The abalone probably kena thrown away because don't even look like the same kind of creature. -
If each school have haybees and lobsters, wouldn’t the lobsters will get all the leadership positions? Then where the haybees learn to be leaders?
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