2018 P1 registration exercise for 2019 intake

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jetsetter:

As floppy has explained, SAC consists of \"prominent\" members of the public, incl new immigrants with $ I presume. Did you notice that one ksp shared there were supposed to be 110 alumni vying for 153 2A1 places this year, but the final figure on MOE table shows more than 110, i.e. 125. Didn't know where the extra popped up...

I do have a question wrt the school staff for 2A2. Do they consider canteen and bookshop staff as school staff? I ask because many years ago, an ex-colleague of mine said her ds got into HPPS cos her PILs were canteen vendors of HPPS. I didn't ask if they lived <1km though.

hey, what you shared about the bookshop vendor/staff, canteen operator staff, cleaner staff in school, etc ... sounds interesting

Many years ago, my ex neighbour, last time (many years ago) sell soft drink (Bandung, chin chow grass jelly, etc) in canteen, at one of the Hokkien clan primary schools.

He himself never studied there before, in that Hokkiek clan school.
But, somehow he managed to enrol his 2 sons and one daughter, into this Hokkien Huay Kian school.
Those days (> 40 years ago) : don't have Phase 2B parent volunteer scheme exist yet. And definitely stayed more than 2 km under phase 2c, from this very popular Hokkien clan school. Now, every year, sc less than 1 km : must ballot

(wondered how he managed to enrol his eldest son in first, subsequently, his 2 other kids follow suit, under Phase 1 sibling)

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jetsetter:

As floppy has explained, SAC consists of \"prominent\" members of the public, incl new immigrants with $ I presume. Did you notice that one ksp shared there were supposed to be 110 alumni vying for 153 2A1 places this year, but the final figure on MOE table shows more than 110, i.e. 125. Didn't know where the extra popped up...

Did the ksp register in the morning? The other 15 could register in the afternoon.

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rains:

jetsetter:

As floppy has explained, SAC consists of \"prominent\" members of the public, incl new immigrants with $ I presume. Did you notice that one ksp shared there were supposed to be 110 alumni vying for 153 2A1 places this year, but the final figure on MOE table shows more than 110, i.e. 125. Didn't know where the extra popped up...

Did the ksp register in the morning? The other 15 could register in the afternoon.

Whether register in the morning or afternoon, the registration numbers are all kept in running sequence, consecutively one after another

[jetsetter]

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rains:

[quote=\"jetsetter\"]
As floppy has explained, SAC consists of \"prominent\" members of the public, incl new immigrants with $ I presume. Did you notice that one ksp shared there were supposed to be 110 alumni vying for 153 2A1 places this year, but the final figure on MOE table shows more than 110, i.e. 125. Didn't know where the extra popped up...

Did the ksp register in the morning? The other 15 could register in the afternoon.

Whether register in the morning or afternoon, the registration numbers are all kept in running sequence, consecutively one after another[/quote]It is also possible cos ksp reported nephew's successful news with 2.5hrs more to go. Never mind...she got 110 from her sibling anyway.

15 extra could also be twins or triplets like BD's suggested.

As for coming from SAC, I reckon at most 1 kid, once in a blue moon.

[jetsetter]

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jetsetter:

As floppy has explained, SAC consists of \"prominent\" members of the public, incl new immigrants with $ I presume. Did you notice that one ksp shared there were supposed to be 110 alumni vying for 153 2A1 places this year, but the final figure on MOE table shows more than 110, i.e. 125. Didn't know where the extra popped up...

I do have a question wrt the school staff for 2A2. Do they consider canteen and bookshop staff as school staff? I ask because many years ago, an ex-colleague of mine said her ds got into HPPS cos her PILs were canteen vendors of HPPS. I didn't ask if they lived <1km though.

hey, what you shared about the bookshop vendor/staff, canteen operator staff, cleaner staff in school, etc ... sounds interesting

Many years ago, my ex neighbour, last time (many years ago) sell soft drink (Bandung, chin chow grass jelly, etc) in canteen, at one of the Hokkien clan primary schools.

He himself never studied there before, in that Hokkiek clan school.
But, somehow he managed to enrol his 2 sons and one daughter, into this Hokkien Huay Kian school.
Those days (> 40 years ago) : don't have Phase 2B parent volunteer scheme exist yet. And definitely stayed more than 2 km under phase 2c, from this very popular Hokkien clan school. Now, every year, sc less than 1 km : must ballot

(wondered how he managed to enrol his eldest son in first, subsequently, his 2 other kids follow suit, under Phase 1 sibling)

LOL! My friend's registration was 4 years ago, not 40 yrs ago.
About 40 years ago...since you mentioned, do note there was already Phase 2 (but no breakdown into A1, A2, B).
The SAC and school staff (canteen or bookshop seller or watchman we dunno!) were all inside liao. Please read http://www.kiasuparents.com/kiasu/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=18535&p=1328754&hilit=alumni+phase#p1328754.

It's good if they extend to canteen vendors, bookshop staff, cleaners, security guards. They are part of the big family.

[rains]

But the moe site states that ‘parent’ is the one who qualifies, not the grandparent:


(b) For a child whose parent is a staff member of the primary school of choice

So technically, even if the PILs are staff members of the school, it doesn’t place them at 2A2.

It will be good if someone is ‘proactive’ enough to check out what ‘staff member’ means though. Cleaners and security guards are employees of cleaning and security companies/vendors so strictly speaking, they are not ‘staff members’ of the school. Canteen and bookshop vendors are usually seen as independent vendors. If they are also staff members of a school, then how does MOE draw the line between these vendors and music instructors, cca instructors and enrichment vendors who also provide services to the school?

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rains:

But the moe site states that 'parent' is the one who qualifies, not the grandparent:


(b) For a child whose parent is a staff member of the primary school of choice

So technically, even if the PILs are staff members of the school, it doesn't place them at 2A2.

It will be good if someone is 'proactive' enough to check out what 'staff member' means though.

Cleaners and security guards are employees of cleaning and security companies/vendors so strictly speaking, they are not 'staff members' of the school. Canteen and bookshop vendors are usually seen as independent vendors. If they are also staff members of a school, then how does MOE draw the line between these vendors and music instructors, cca instructors and enrichment vendors who also provide services to the school?

Canteen vendors (operators) are independent, self-employed business owners.
They have to bid $ for a food stall inside the school canteen, to sell food (makan) or drinks.

Bookshop staff are hired by Popular book shop, or some other book shop owner. Their boss is Popular, not Moe.

But, Cleaning woman (those who wash toilet), school gardener and security guard :
are they hired by Moe, then post them to different primary schools, to work ?

[floppy]

rains:

It will be good if someone is 'proactive' enough to check out what 'staff member' means though. Cleaners and security guards are employees of cleaning and security companies/vendors so strictly speaking, they are not 'staff members' of the school. Canteen and bookshop vendors are usually seen as independent vendors. If they are also staff members of a school, then how does MOE draw the line between these vendors and music instructors, cca instructors and enrichment vendors who also provide services to the school?

The answer: it depends on the school set up.

A long time ago, cleaners / security guards are employed directly by schools / MOE (some of them even has a house / place to stay in the school). Under this arrangement, they fulfill the requirement of \"a staff member of the school\" and will be eligible for the earlier phase.

However, most cleaners / guards (these days) work for the firm that is being contracted to provide the service to the school. Hence, they are staff member of the contractor and not of the school. They won't meet the requirement and are not eligible for the earlier phase. Independent vendors, including canteen operators, are never staff members of the schools.

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floppy:

rains:

It will be good if someone is 'proactive' enough to check out what 'staff member' means though. Cleaners and security guards are employees of cleaning and security companies/vendors so strictly speaking, they are not 'staff members' of the school. Canteen and bookshop vendors are usually seen as independent vendors. If they are also staff members of a school, then how does MOE draw the line between these vendors and music instructors, cca instructors and enrichment vendors who also provide services to the school?

The answer: it depends on the school set up.

A long time ago, cleaners / security guards are employed directly by schools / MOE (some of them even has a house / place to stay in the school). Under this arrangement, they fulfill the requirement of \"a staff member of the school\" and will be eligible for the earlier phase.

However, most cleaners / guards (these days) work for the firm that is being contracted to provide the service to the school. Hence, they are staff member of the contractor and not of the school. They won't meet the requirement and are not eligible for the earlier phase. Independent vendors, including canteen operators, are never staff members of the schools.

So it's a mystery why people say that their kid could enrol in the school when their PIL were canteen vendors

[grimm]

A long time ago, things were a lot more flexible and the schools had more discretion who they choose to take in. These days, not so much.