Any Updates As To When PSLE T-Scores Will Be Scrapped?

[ngl2010]

pirate:

ngl2010:

I feel a 10% probability of not getting into dream school despite working very hard is unfair. It will never happen under the old system. So, every year there will be 4,000 disappointed children. How are we going to tell our child to work hard in the future if they are balloted out? One day they will become 10% of the work force. Would the S1 bitter experience still haunt them? So, no need to work too hard as they don't have as good luck as others? Or, is it parents' responsibilities to make sure they bounce back? There are some children that just don't bounce back or will be scarred by it.

Every year there are 4,000 students with 4 A*s? Sure or not? :skeptical:

I think if the end all and be all of education for a primary school child is to get into a particular 'dream' secondary school, then the child has a more serious problem than having to ballot. :siam:

Where did I say that dream school only available to children with 4 A*? :?

[phtthp]

pirate:

ryka:

My question is where the student go if ALL (2nd, 3rd, 4th,...) his/her choices school has been fully subscribed?

If I have 4-5 points AL, naturally I will pick all the best/popular schools..
These schools may have been fully subscribed.
I predict this kind of scenario may happen.

Probably the same place as somebody with a T-score of 230 who put 1st choice NYGH, 2nd choice RGS, 3rd choice MGS, 4th choice Dunman High IP, 5th choice St Nicks IP and 6th choice SCGS. :evil:

Now that MOE has told you how the system is going to work, why would you want to go and do something stupid like that? :scratchhead:

How to get T-score, 230 ?

On average, per subject : Raw score need to score at least lowest 80 (ie. AL 3)


Then, how to get T-score 261, to enter RGS Secondary ?
On average, per subject : Raw score need to score at least lowest 91, to get into RGS.
(Ie. AL 1)

NYGH, RGS, Dunman High, St Nick IP and even 6th choice SCGS O level require at least minimum 250.

If put above 6 choices down inside the list : with 230, you can't even get into the last 6th choice.
You don't even get close to your #6 last choice.
Computer will just simply allocate your child a Secondary school, based on his or her AL score, see which Secondary school can possibly fit into.

The school the child get posted to, will be outside his 6 choices.
Child will get a shock, got posted by computer to an unwanted school, can cry

[floppy]

pirate:

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Now that MOE has told you how the system is going to work, why would you want to go and do something stupid like that? :scratchhead:

Because there exist people, despite what their academic results say, isn't too bright in making life choices.

[grimm]

floppy:

pirate:

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Now that MOE has told you how the system is going to work, why would you want to go and do something stupid like that? :scratchhead:

Because there exist people, despite what their academic results say, isn't too bright in making life choices.

that's not fair. Maybe they just couldn't stand up to their not very bright parents.

[ryka]

Pirate… I do not think 4 or 5 points AL will equate to t-score 230!

[aiyoaiyo]

Maybe MOE should accord more schools SAP status? Nanchiau High is one example. After gaining SAP status, it attracted more students with higher Tscore (eg. 25X to 26X) than before.

[waterbay]

I'm not really convince on the their objective in this exercise. Does it mean a kid can dream of becoming a doctor now with AL16? Focus on their passion... and follow their dreams :imanangel:


Assuming averaging 75-79 for every subject, which is not bad. If i didn't remember wrongly, passing a subject in Imperial College need >30, 1st class >70

Now we are a nation obsessed with balloting. Pri 1 entry, HDB flat application, now Sec Sch posting as well :siao:

[phtthp]

ryka:

. I do not think 4 or 5 points AL will equate to t-score 230!

No

T-score 230, is equivalent to : 80 marks, per subject
how to compute T-score 230, under current system (before 2021) ?

take 80 marks x (4 subjects) = 320
Then, take 320 x (either 0.72 or 0.75, as a rough estimate ) ==>
you'll get around T-score, 230

However, under the \"AL\" new Banding system -
Total (80, per subject) will end up a student, with :
AL3 x 4 ==> 12 points

Hence, T-score 230 : is roughly 12 points, under new AL system.



next question :
Then, 4 or 5 points AL equate to what kind of T-score ?

AL1 : 90 and above


suppose a child score 90 x 4 = 360 (Total Raw score)

take 360 x (either 0.72 or 0.75) ==> T-score is roughly ... 259

hence, a \"4 point AL\" is roughly equivalent to ... T-score 259


with \"4 point AL\" -
can enter Secondary schools, like Dunman High IP, National Junior College IP, Victoria JC IP, Catholic High IP, CHIJ St Nicholas IP, SCGS IP, River Valley High IP, provided no need to involve balloting OR managed to get balloted in, in one of your 6 choices school

with \"4 point AL\" -
can apply to any school, but may encounter balloting, in the hottest in- demand Secondary school

[UBKmom]

waterbay:

I'm not really convince on the their objective in this exercise. Does it mean a kid can dream of becoming a doctor now with AL16? Focus on their passion... and follow their dreams :imanangel:


Assuming averaging 75-79 for every subject, which is not bad. If i didn't remember wrongly, passing a subject in Imperial College need >30, 1st class >70

Now we are a nation obsessed with balloting. Pri 1 entry, HDB flat application, now Sec Sch posting as well :siao:

1 in 10 of the students will be affected by balloting which means 3700 students with a cohort size of 37000......that is alot :yikes: ....and I guess most will happens at those top schools...you need not only hard work, luck but may be some supernatural help.

[phtthp]

UBKmom:

MOE mentioned that affiliation system will be kept but pending changes announcement.

I think MOE will set a standard affiliation policy eg 2 points discount across the board rather than leaving it to the individual school or association to set the standard. I felt that this will be fairer to those without affiliation and this will also great reduce the stress of many parents and eliminate some of the large COP discrepancy between affiliate and non-affiliate student especially for some well sort after school. This will also reduce artificially high COP which further enhanced the image of elite school. So under the new system, the best COP is lower the better and I can foresees more than 4 schools will have a COP of 4 which expand the number of so call top school which we are already seeing now (after more students are scoring between 250~260) but still differentiated by a few points. Under existing system, the different in COP between RV and RI may be 7 points but under the new system, it may narrow down to 3/4, it will create an impression in parent’s mind that more schools are within the same range as those top school.

By standardising the affiliation cut-off will also indirectly reduce the P1 enrolment stress, like if you missed out in P1, you still have a high chance to get into it secondary school if you work hard. Again, this will give everyone a fairer chance to enter these school irregardless of your connections/background.

since Affliation going to be kept (not abolished) -

Either
MOE going to centralize control across the board, by imposing (minus 1 or 2 points) for all affliated primary schools,

OR

MOE not going to intervene at all, MOE not going to do anything, but simply leave it to individual affliated schools to decide -
how they going to determine what is the lowest AL score, for the 4 subjects, for their own affliated students to come back to their Secondary, for O level

AND

in their list of 6 choices : only if the affliated pupil able to meet the lowest AL score requirement, plus put it down as #1 choice school in his/her listing, then can come back to affliated Secondary


internally, the affliated schools can work out & convert their T-score Cut-off point requirement, into AL score Cut-off point requirement.