[PSLE MT] PSLE less weightage in Chinese / Mother Tongue
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Altum:
i think you missed the point
Not good enough for what?What isverykiasu2010:
it is a basic recognition that a pupil who
can only master 3 subjects compared
with another who can master 4, is not
good enough. don't ever use lowering weightage to tweak it. it is called cheating
or foul play. somebody who gave / fed the
info to the minister to talk about lowering
the weightage is going to get shot, political
test balloon or not. who wants to risk / lose political capital & goodwill .....
good enough? Do we base a child's
abilities on the basis of 4 subjects?
What about the other talents where
they are not measured?
Have we become so obsessed with grades and
economics that we no longer care if our children
are having a decet childhood experiencing life
as it should be?
PSLE is a national placement exam. like it or not, every kids go through it, unless u migrate or change the government to change the system
in the meantime, the one with better grades get ahead of the queue to choose his / her secondary school before others. obviously the one who can master all 4 subjects compared to one who can only master 3 subjects is better and he has priority to choose, by virtue of his higher t-score
some people said some bright sparks were denied entry to top schools in singapore because of weak MT (t-score pulled down by weak MT score) and so proposed to lower the weightage of MT to enable these so-called bright spark to get in those top schools
my comment is they are simply not good enough when compared to those who can master all 4 subjects at PSLE with higher t-score
who is obsessed ? you form your own opinion. I am talking about fairness of the system
other abilities ? sure ! there are sports schools but why the top schools still want to attract those who are good in sports and not good in academic studies and why parents still go for those top schools using sports dsa instead of going to sports schools ?
and what is your yardstick of measurement of what other talents not mentioned ?
you are welcome to disagree and there is no obligation for me to reply u -
verykiasu2010:
Precisely, that is why the government isPSLE is a national placement exam. like it or not, every kids go through it, unless u migrate or change the government to change the system
you are welcome to disagree and there is no obligation for me to reply u
trying to change the system, so that our
kids do not have go through a childhood
that devotes too much time to an academic
exercise. So that citizens do not have to
migrate to get out of this primitive system. -
Altum:
academic competition is not restricted to singapore alonePrecisely, that is why the government is
trying to change the system, so that our
kids do not have go through a childhood
that devotes too much time to an academic
exercise. So that citizens do not have to
migrate to get out of this primitive system.
malaysia, china, hk, taiwan, korea, japan, sri lanka, israel, france, germany, mexico... .....some of them are are even worse than SG. even for the US, they also have the equivalent of gifted education
competition for top schools in any city / country is usually very intense, else the schools won't become top schools
coming back to singapore, there is no compulsion that everyone must enter a top school / sap school. enjoy your childhood and enter any school your t-score would entitle you to.
i have classmates who chose the \"laid back\" poly route though got 8 A1s for 'O' Level......but did a master from US later on. also have french colleague whose kids are super kiasu in order to get into the top school in paris to study under a well know professor.....got friend who move house from kowloon to hk island in order to get into a desired school for the kid...know of a friend in china who relocated to ulu ulu province so that the child has higher chance of getting into the top uni under the complicated and competitive uni entrance system in china......talk about competition and childhood ? most cities do have kiasu parents like in singapore when it comes to schooling
Straits Times will never report any of this.I get to know because of my job and travels -
verykiasu2010:
You are absolutely correct. Parents can always let their kids enjoy their childhood, if they don't push the kids to get into the top secondary schools. There are many students from neighbourhood secondary schools who do very well and enter university to study a course of their choice.
coming back to singapore, there is no compulsion that everyone must enter a top school / sap school. enjoy your childhood and enter any school your t-score would entitle you to.
Parents are the ones who are denying the kids of a happy childhood. Not the education system. -
tamarind:
agree. but sometimes parents feel top sec provides better enviornment of 近朱者赤, they dun want their kids to be influenced by 黑者....though they know their kids can perform equally well if put in neighbourhood sec sch...
You are absolutely correct. Parents can always let their kids enjoy their childhood, if they don't push the kids to get into the top secondary schools. There are many students from neighbourhood secondary schools who do very well and enter university to study a course of their choice.
Parents are the ones who are denying the kids of a happy childhood. Not the education system. -
I did not read through the whole thread in this topic.
After so many years of experiment, I think MOE should realize that bilingualism cannot be Forced, even if you are a world leading English debator, can not be effectively bi-lingual!
Now gov.sg had decided that we need to increase National population (plan has dropped from 8 mil to 6.5mil), by attracting > 4 major races, which dominated Singapore population in the last 40+ years, going forward, the demographic will change, thus if we insist on MT weightage, it may put some potential Singaporean off, to call of their migration plan.
IMHO, all these are for more GDP, not for the betterment of education systems. -
adhdadhd:
I, even if you are a world leading English debator, can not be effectively bi-lingual!
So you think that all these top debaters from singapore are not possibly biligual?
http://www.asiaone.com/News/Education/Story/A1Story20100106-190036.html -
Altum:
Precisely, that is why the government isverykiasu2010:
PSLE is a national placement exam. like it or not, every kids go through it, unless u migrate or change the government to change the system
you are welcome to disagree and there is no obligation for me to reply u
trying to change the system, so that our
kids do not have go through a childhood
that devotes too much time to an academic
exercise. So that citizens do not have to
migrate to get out of this primitive system.
But school without SA1, still have topical tests? without test/exam, how do we know how well our kids learn and how much progress they are making? Is there any other measurement that can serve same purpose without creating competition?
even sports talents have to go through competition to be measured/ranked, right? -
keroppi:
There is nothing stressful abt it. There is no need to prepare for GEP selection test at all. If your kid can get in great, if not, just move on - getting into GEP is no big deal anyway.
Same for IP or non-IP, both will still lead to 'A' level or poly. -
ChiefKiasu:
Strange ... I am not one of the parents that see IP schools as warranty of a place in the Universities. In fact, before we (my girl and us) select IP, our mind were full of question marks how far can she go and so many what if ... Our final decision for IP was after a relative teacher told us, how IP schools work and their ways of teaching.
.... The IP schools are now coveted by parents because they are seen as the warranty of a place in the Universities. The \"teach less, learn more\" principle is thought of by parents as the schools telling us to give our kids more tuition because teachers no longer provide the answers, which are necessary so that our kids can ace their examinations!
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\"Teach less, learn more\" concept may be misunderstood by some parents, so far I have observed, its changing the learning attitude of the children. To dig out the creativity of the children, to make them think more and think further. If the answer to a question is YES, the kids should continue to ask themselves, \"Why Yes?\" and not just stop at the YES answer. This is the type of skill they are trying to teach our children, to tickle their thinking mind. True, teachers don't just provide you with an answer and I think they should not. It is the process of finding out the answers, where one can learn better and appreciate the answers more.
I was very fortunate, to be advised on active learning attitude, by my child's primary teacher. I am very grateful to her advice ...
I have been saying in other threads too, how I wish this type of teaching is being exposed to the children at younger age in school.
Very off topic now ... :oops:
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