MOE Relooking P1 registration - Too much priority to alumni

[dorisp]

vicki:

Better siam first. :siam:

Don't need to siam lah......... everyone got different opinion mah.... :evil:

[Baby_May_09]

Regarding the discussion on full school, as a full school, the primary school and the secondary school is 1 school. The same principal would mean that the school direction for both the primary and secondary will be set by the same person and the principal will lead both the primary and secondary students for assembly together every morning/ school function etc. The decision made by the principal will also be for the good of both the primary and secondary students.


I suppose if CHIJ Toa Payoh decide to convert to a full school, then yes, the secondary students should also be accorded the same benefits to go to CHIJ Toa Payoh primary school (but it will be from the year it is converted to full school). Think it happen before (not too sure about that), but the other way round - very long ago, NYPS and NYGH was a full school, but now, they are not- so old girls from NYGH still enjoy the benefits if they were from the full school era, but not the newer batch of NYGH girls.

[Dino_Mummy]

verykiasu2010:

dorisp:

[quote=\"mum_sugoku\"]
Er.. actually, except phase 1, there's a cap on every phases--including 2A. Just so happened that so far, the quota for P2A had never been filled up (ie no. of applicants under 2A were always < places allocated for 2A) so whoever applied under this phase had been successful.

Ok. Let me try to explain.

Unless my understanding is wrong, the current system works this way:

Say a school has 300 places for Pri 1.

Example 1:
Phase 1 took 80 places.
Phase 2A1 took 60 places.
Phase 2A2 took 100 places.
We now have 300 - (80+60+100) = 60 places left to be divided evenly between P2B and P2C so P2B gets 30 and P2C gets 30.

Example 2:
Phase 1 took 80 places.
Phase 2A1 took 80 places.
Phase 2A2 took 160 places.

At end of P2A2, there are already 320 applicants so 80 from Phase 1 and 80 from Phase 2A1 will be registered but the 160 from Phase 2A2 will have to go through balloting for the remaining 300 - (80+80) = 140 places and this balloting will go according to distance priority.

For school in Example 2, since there is no cap for Phase 2A (be it P2A1 or P2A2) and all places are taken up by end of P2A2, there will no longer be any places left for Phase 2B and Phase 2C.

This is why some are suggesting for a cap for P2A to allow at least some or more places for subsequent Phases such as P2B and P2C.

This is my first time illustrating this system so please help to correct me if there were any incorrect info. Thanks.

I have observed the registration trend of the various phases since the late 90s.....phase 1 takes up main bulk of the places most of the time....alumni does not form a big portion, and places running out after phase 2A is usualy ACS only, no one else, except last few years CHS alumni started to crowd out the later phases --- BUT this is not because suddenly more alumni started to send kids to the schools -- this is because the school reduces the intake in order to switch to 100% single session / or in the process of converting to single session[/quote]3boys,

On verykiasu2010's comment - \"BUT this is not because suddenly more alumni started to send kids to the schools -- this is because the school reduces the intake in order to switch to 100% single session / or in the process of converting to single session\" - i don't think its nonsense!

As long as a school converts from two (AM and PM) to single session, it is almost certain, the intake will be affected. Realistically, this does affect.

Capped on Alumni - i agree. But there are other factors that may affect the number of vacancies too.

[vratenza]

vicki:

vratenza:

you chose to ignore my most pertinent point, and if you cannot see beyond this, I have no more to add..really....

\"the same school management committee and during my days, I remembered myself helping out in the primary school's sport's day, excursions and such. There are mentoring programs for the older secondary school students to help the younger primary section students.
It is one big family.\"

Ok - lets continue with this discussion.

Same school mgmt comm? Not difficult wat - just combine 2 groups to report under one P.

Help out primary school areas - not difficult wat? If there is only one Principal - he can ask his students to do it.

So the underlying problem is BECAUSE there are 2 Principals - each therefore does not have absolute authority over both areas. However, if one ask the other to help - it will surely be rendered (in those rare occassion). So is it a simplistic thing to say - remove one P and therefore it is a Full School?

My boy is in the primary section of a FULL SCHOOL now and No, i dont see the secondary students helping out much. Recess time? the P5 guides. Excursion? PVs/ PSG helps out.

So - back to my - EXACTLY what constitutes a FULL SCHOOL n what doesnt? Is it a 2 P vs 1 P issue?

So No - im not avoiding your line of thought - i just want to know what differentiates CHS/St Nics with CHIJ TP?

I stated clearly \"in my days\" those things happened and that is the reason why I think makes the difference in terms of cohesiveness of the school and effort to integrate and interact Pri and Sec school section. And that is also why I feel it is fair that CHS is considered full school.

If it did not occur for your son, I also cannot explain because I am not the FULL SCHOOL's P or it's management committee. Each school has their own culture and ways, that brings us back to debunk Mr Hean's assertion that all schools are same.

Nobody can tell you what differentiates between CHS/St Nics vs CHIJ TP unless they have children in both of them to compare.

Honestly, I'm just glad I am on this side of fence with the greener grass.

[Baby_May_09]

My above post is just explaining the difference between full school and non-full school from what I know. My stand on the topic is that I can see that alumni connection is important like what many had said, but I also feel that there should be a cap ie. 1/3 of the remaining places after phase 1?

[vicki]

vratenza:

vicki:

[quote=\"vratenza\"]
you chose to ignore my most pertinent point, and if you cannot see beyond this, I have no more to add..really....

\"the same school management committee and during my days, I remembered myself helping out in the primary school's sport's day, excursions and such. There are mentoring programs for the older secondary school students to help the younger primary section students.
It is one big family.\"

Ok - lets continue with this discussion.

Same school mgmt comm? Not difficult wat - just combine 2 groups to report under one P.

Help out primary school areas - not difficult wat? If there is only one Principal - he can ask his students to do it.

So the underlying problem is BECAUSE there are 2 Principals - each therefore does not have absolute authority over both areas. However, if one ask the other to help - it will surely be rendered (in those rare occassion). So is it a simplistic thing to say - remove one P and therefore it is a Full School?

My boy is in the primary section of a FULL SCHOOL now and No, i dont see the secondary students helping out much. Recess time? the P5 guides. Excursion? PVs/ PSG helps out.

So - back to my - EXACTLY what constitutes a FULL SCHOOL n what doesnt? Is it a 2 P vs 1 P issue?

So No - im not avoiding your line of thought - i just want to know what differentiates CHS/St Nics with CHIJ TP?

I stated clearly \"in my days\" those things happened and that is the reason why I think makes the difference in terms of cohesiveness of the school and effort to integrate and interact Pri and Sec school section. And that is also why I feel it is fair that CHS is considered full school.

If it did not occur for your son, I also cannot explain because I am not the FULL SCHOOL's P or it's management committee. Each school has their own culture and ways, that brings us back to debunk Mr Hean's assertion that all schools are same.

Nobody can tell you what differentiates between CHS/St Nics vs CHIJ TP unless they have children in both of them to compare.

Honestly, I'm just glad I am on this side of fence with the greener grass.[/quote]Yup - you are on the right side of fence with the greener grass...

I am too - if current procedures remain.

So, why am i fighting for the 'under priviledged' for what i feel is the 'common good'?

:? I must be :siao:

[lim72]

Read this http://www.tremeritus.com/2012/03/30/why-are-foreigners-allowed-to-join-alumnis/ to find out the true objective of having Alumni.

[vicki]

Baby_May_09:

My above post is just explaining the difference between full school and non-full school from what I know. My stand on the topic is that I can see that alumni connection is important like what many had said, but I also feel that there should be a cap ie. 1/3 of the remaining places after phase 1?

Agree too.

[dorisp]

vicki:

Yup - you are on the right side of fence with the greener grass...

I am too - if current procedures remain.

So, why am i fighting for the 'under priviledged' for what i feel is the 'common good'?

:? I must be :siao:

Don't worry. You are not alone.

[LOLMum]

as much as a school would like to take in all applicants, it is impossible.


schools (be it popular or neighbourhood) have to reduce the intake because it is switching to one session.

from what i know, acsp is unable to add places because there is really no more space in the school to squeeze in another class.