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    Real reason behind Singapore’s obsession with tuition

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    • phtthpP Offline
      phtthp
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      limlim:
      If the teachers cannot be committed and focused on school classes, it is better that they leave the teaching profession.

      Yes, totally support your statement! :goodpost:

      How can teachers obtain salary from MOE every month, & yet still allowed to do moonlighting ! So ridiculous ! Then might as well quit MOE, don't teach in primary school. Better than continue to teach half heartedly or even worse no heart / passion to teach, in the end produce wishy-washy sub standard in school pupils, harm them instead.

      let me share a story ...
      many years ago, there was this English teacher in one of CHIJ primary schools. She's not interested in teaching, just want to collect $ monthly salary. Each time she enter the class, she'll tell the girls, \"Girls, take out your own homework & do yr work quietly.\" After that, she started taking out her own needlework crochet work, and crochet some baby stuff right in front of the whole class. She didn't teach English at all.

      as a result, my cousin's PSLE English very bad. She ended up in a lousy Secondary school, bec English no good. Till today, my cousin remembered her P6 English teacher vividly.

      this example doesn't illustrate moonlighting.
      But this example illustrate that when a person has no heart / passion to teach, she harmed her students instead. It may be an extreme example that happened > 30 years. Today if got such teachers around, they would have been sacked, due to parents complaints to school(s).

      if you no heart to teach, then for goodness sake GET OUT of the teaching profession, before you harm more pupils !

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        jtoh
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        Starting salaries for degree-holder trainee teachers:


        Qualifications \tGross Starting Salary
        Pass Degree \t$2,770
        Pass with Merit $2,900
        Honours \t$3,100 to $3,250

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          kitty2
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          phankao:
          limlim:

          [quote=\"jedamum\"]
          if moe impose a strict rule disallowing such, maybe moe stand to lose even more teachers to the tuition industry.

          it should never have been that way in the first place, allowing teacher to give tuition.

          So, in all industries, the companies should allow their staff to moonlight so that they do not lose workers? what logic is that?

          There is clear conflict of interest. The teachers may put more effort into the variable private income (And maybe not paying tax for it) and less effort on fixed income from schools. End up MORE students in the class need tuition. I teach your student from your school, you teach my students from my school.. together we make lotsa $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.

          If the teachers cannot be committed and focused on school classes, it is better that they leave the teaching profession.

          the only rule is that teachers cannot give tuition to students in their own school. If they do - well, that has to be free.[/quote]Not true as some teachers are teaching in tuition centres,their students are from their school

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            Sim TT
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            Many teachers, especially those good ones, can now quit their job and teach tuition. Teach only those smart ones and no need do so much admin/cca, less stressful and still can take care of their own kids.


            http://unbrandedbreadnbutter.wordpress.com/2012/03/09/singapore-sons-and-daughters-moe-budget-debate-and-social-mobility/

            Some of these elite tuition centres pay really well. Worse is actually our kids have to go tuition to get access to these good teachers...brain drain on the education system. Only those really passionate and those who cannot make it outside will stay on. Overall standard of teachers dropping.

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              Imami
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              jtoh:
              Starting salaries for degree-holder trainee teachers:


              Qualifications \tGross Starting Salary
              Pass Degree \t$2,770
              Pass with Merit $2,900
              Honours \t$3,100 to $3,250
              Erm... Sorry ah, this is for teachers teaching primary school? Or secondary school?

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                SAHM_TAN
                last edited by

                There’s no difference in salary for trs teaching in pri, sec or JC level, within the same grade.

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                • phtthpP Offline
                  phtthp
                  last edited by

                  Sim TT:
                  Only those really passionate and those who cannot make it outside will stay on. Overall standard of teachers dropping.

                  high time to revamp MOE, revamp the standard of teaching in primary schools !
                  Something has gone wrong, if teachers allowed to moonlight.

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                    SAHM_TAN
                    last edited by

                    How to judge that the std of teachers have dropped?

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                    • janet88J Offline
                      janet88
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                      MOE knows teachers are giving tuition. But with long hours in school, it knows there is a limit teachers can do. If people go straight into teaching line, the pay increment and promotion is fast. But don't attempt a career switch.


                      Professional tutors can command students' attention bcos kids know why they have tuition. My son listens to his tutors bcos they know his weaknesses...it's not that he doesn't listen in class.
                      Just yest, he told me teacher completed a science topic after 2 lessons !!! :faint: The tutor is still teaching the same topic bcos it is tough...mind you, it is p6. Even a P3 science topic requires several lessons, diversity for eg.

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                        sandunes
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                        jtoh:
                        Starting salaries for degree-holder trainee teachers:


                        Qualifications \tGross Starting Salary
                        Pass Degree \t$2,770
                        Pass with Merit $2,900
                        Honours \t$3,100 to $3,250
                        The starting pay looks fine but what abt the increment? Do we know if it rewards good teachers who have stayed on? I hope so.

                        My friend wanted to make a mid career switch to teaching but had to suffer a pay cut of 50% if she were to take up the offer for pri/sec level. In the end, for financial reasons, she has to opt to teach at tertiary level.

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