City Harvest's founder Kong Hee & 4 others arrested/charged

[phtthp]

quote:

Ah Kong then used $400 on Sambal Ho. Sambal Ho then performed getai outside this particular temple. But no matter how she sang and danced,the temple visitors did not increase and so did the donation box. Ah Kong's plan had failed.

initially, temple visitors curious ... so went to watch Sambal Ho sing, dance, perform.

But sadly, Sambal Ho perhaps no inherent talent !
Inspite of wearing revealing low cut dress & shaking her bum many times, temple visitors got sick & tired of watching her same old \"stunt\". After a while, visitors stopped visiting temple & donations ceased. Then Ah Kong had to crack his head devise another method to bring in temple earnings.

[corneyAmber]

As a parent, I am also worried about the wrong external influence, so I did a reality check with my 9+ year old.


Me: Girl, are you aware of the CHC scandal?
Girl: Yes I know a little
Me: It is about a pastor using the church funds to finance some singing career of his wife, do you think it is ok?
Girl: Of course not!!
Me: Why do you think it is not ok? Btw, where did you find out about this case?
Girl: I read it on AsiaOne. Of course not ok, no law and order. 无法无天。。
Me: Err… Why do you say no law and order?
Girl: They run a church and they can do such disrespectful things…
Me: Why disrespectful?
Girl: This is the church’s money and they are "stealing" the money for the singing career of a pastor’s wife. See? No respect for the church members.
Me: Ok… If you are attending this church what will you do?
Girl: I will quit this church, because I do not want to be identified with their wrong-doing which I do not agree. Later, I get bad-mouth for nothing as their member especially after being cheated by them.
Me: Orh…but what if the pastor is very nice to you, and all the people involved in the case know you and treat you very well and you see them every Sunday?
Girl: If I know them, I will be kinder and talk to them about repentence, not to repeat this wrongful act. If I do not know them, I will just walk off from the church.
Me: chuckled (She always makes me laugh with her innocence)

This is from a child’s perception of the case.

[Lilac66]

phtthp:

quote:

Ah Kong then used $400 on Sambal Ho. Sambal Ho then performed getai outside this particular temple. But no matter how she sang and danced,the temple visitors did not increase and so did the donation box. Ah Kong's plan had failed.

initially, temple visitors curious ... so went to watch Sambal Ho sing, dance, perform.

But sadly, Sambal Ho perhaps no inherent talent !
Inspite of wearing revealing low cut dress & shaking her bum many times, temple visitors got sick & tired of watching her same old \"stunt\". After a while, visitors stopped visiting temple & donations ceased. Then Ah Kong had to crack his head devise another method to bring in temple earnings.

:rotflmao: She must be thinking , Aiya all my shaking wasted.

[cirruslogic]

MMM:

Catholic is very clear since they worship Mary which the Christians don't.

Catholics do not worship Mary! Saying that is blasphemy!
The word prayer means \"a solemn request for help or expression of thanks addressed to God or a heavenly creature\"
Catholics worship God as the one Supreme Being.
Mary is not God. Hence Catholics do not worship Mary!
Jesus Christ is God and specifically, is one of the three Persons in one God. Catholics do communicate with Mary and Canonised Saints. When we say pray to Mary and the Saints it is communicating with them or talking to them.
Get it?

[looking4Tutor]

From TODAYonline - http://www.todayonline.com/PDFViewer/PDF/20120629/2906HNP006.pdf

Speaking on behalf of the church
board, Mr Bobby Chaw, the pastor in
charge of missions, said the church
was “surprised” that the COC suspended eight of its members without
prior notice, given that CHC had been
co-operating with the COC.
He revealed that the church had
taken steps, over the past two years, to
comply with the Ministry of Community Development, Youth and Sports’ code
of governance. This included replacing
half of its board with new members and
conducting a full internal audit.
Mr Chaw, however, expressed disappointment with “some of the media’s coverage so far, particularly in
relation to the COC inquiry”.
He said: “In some instances, they
seem to have pre-judged us. We will be
dealing with this in due course.

Is this so-called pastor bobby trying to embark on a mission to repeat the infamous Durai's defamation trial. He should spend more time in the mission fields doing what is right in the eyes of all the god and goddess.

[Dreamaurora]

ksi:

As a parent, I am also worried about the wrong external influence, so I did a reality check with my 9+ year old.


Me: Girl, are you aware of the CHC scandal?
Girl: Yes I know a little
Me: It is about a pastor using the church funds to finance some singing career of his wife, do you think it is ok?
Girl: Of course not!!
Me: Why do you think it is not ok? Btw, where did you find out about this case?
Girl: I read it on AsiaOne. Of course not ok, no law and order. 无法无天。。
Me: Err...... Why do you say no law and order?
Girl: They run a church and they can do such disrespectful things...
Me: Why disrespectful?
Girl: This is the church's money and they are \"stealing\" the money for the singing career of a pastor's wife. See? No respect for the church members.
Me: Ok.. If you are attending this church what will you do?
Girl: I will quit this church, because I do not want to be identified with their wrong-doing which I do not agree. Later, I get bad-mouth for nothing as their member especially after being cheated by them.
Me: Orh....but what if the pastor is very nice to you, and all the people involved in the case know you and treat you very well and you see them every Sunday?
Girl: If I know them, I will be kinder and talk to them about repentence, not to repeat this wrongful act. If I do not know them, I will just walk off from the church.
Me: *chuckled* (She always makes me laugh with her innocence)

This is from a child's perception of the case.

Let us remember Mark 10:15
\"I tell you the truth, anyone who will not receive the kingdom of God like a little child will never enter it.\"

[verykiasu2010]

N.Lo:

I am unabashed ex CHC member who stands with Pastor Kong Hee. So if you are really upset with them, don't read what I have to post. I see that many parents here are reasonable and have a right to be worried and upset. I understand but I guess every story has two sides to it.


I am not here to change anyone's thinking but just want to share some youtube videos on how Crossover project has impacted lives and how secular Christian artists can impact the world through what they do.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2pJySvrdsQ&feature=relmfu

http://www.scoop.it/t/crossover/

is there such a thing / specie as \"secular Christian\" or 'secular Christian artists' ?

[dokomo]

Intially trying to refrain from posting here, since this is sensitive topic. Too much firing in this thread. Just want to share with you a passage in the bible, to cool you guys down. I have decided not to add on to all speculation or condemnation.


+++++
John 8
1Jesus went unto the Mount of Olives.

2And early in the morning He came again into the temple, and all the people came unto Him; and He sat down and taught them.

3And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto Him a woman taken in adultery. And when they had set her in the midst,

4they said unto Him, \"Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.

5Now Moses in the law commanded us that such should be stoned but what sayest thou?\"

6This they said testing Him, that they might have cause to accuse Him. But Jesus stooped down and with His finger wrote on the ground, as though He heard them not.

7So when they continued asking Him, He lifted Himself up and said unto them, \"He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.\"

8And again He stooped down and wrote on the ground.

9And they who heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning with the eldest even unto the last, and Jesus was left alone with the woman standing in the midst.

10When Jesus had lifted Himself up and saw none but the woman, He said unto her, \"Woman, where are those thine accusers? Hath no man condemned thee?\"

11She said, \"No man, Lord.\" And Jesus said unto her, \"Neither do I condemn thee; go, and sin no more.\"

[Way2GO]

verykiasu2010:

is there such a thing / specie as \"secular Christian\" or 'secular Christian artists' ?

Looks like an oxymoron.
another wan which can apply here: clearly misled

[Dreamaurora]

cirruslogic:

MMM:

Catholic is very clear since they worship Mary which the Christians don't.

Catholics do not worship Mary! Saying that is blasphemy!
The word prayer means \"a solemn request for help or expression of thanks addressed to God or a heavenly creature\"
Catholics worship God as the one Supreme Being.
Mary is not God. Hence Catholics do not worship Mary!
Jesus Christ is God and specifically, is one of the three Persons in one God. Catholics do communicate with Mary and Canonised Saints. When we say pray to Mary and the Saints it is communicating with them or talking to them.
Get it?

Yes, this is extremely gross misconceptions that regrettably still exist even among Protestants today. I already explained this few pages back. Actually I think it is a good idea to suggest to MCYS to make it compulsory for all religious institutions to run religious tolerance courses as requirement for membership.