2009 DSA(Direct School Admission)
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I have a GEP son who graduated last year and a current non GEP Pri 5 daughter. Most parents who have GEP and Non-GEP children would have agreed that diligent is still paramount to success whether the child is in GEP or not. GEP curriculum is broader and deeper and I suspect the MOE GEP branch feels that these selected students are able to cope with the demands of the program. However, those with attitude and discipline problems end up like some parents had already mentioned with no confirmed DSA placing.
Parents’ support and encouragement are also very important. Both my children got into the 2nd round of NMOZ by attending private training and sheer hard work. Although my son is in GEP, he did not have any additional maths competition training in school. All students were given the option to pay for maths competition as enrichment program. There are a couple of students who did not attend any training at all but still did very well. These are the ones who self-motivate and willing to put in extra effort to learn by themselves through practice and practice on books. Of course, there are students whose parents could train them like a case of a boy whose mother is a maths expert.
I hope that there is less biasness toward GEP students and non GEP students. It does not mean that a GEP student is more intelligent than a non GEP or a non GEP student will not do better that a GEP student. Intelligence and giftedness plays only a minor factor to the performance of a student. Dilligence, discipline and right attitude is still a major contribution in any child’s success. The GEP curriculum does not help a child perform better in PSLE if the child does not put in effort as the program requires a child to have a good grasp of basis knowledge in the various subjects in order to follow up with the deeper learning and requirements of the workload and projects. In my children’s primary school, I have been observing in past years those students (GEP and non GEP) who possessed such positive characteristics had done well in academic and non academic discipline. In this sense, it just means EFFORTS = RESULTS. -
NdHelpParent:
I have been following this forum and enjoying reading them. The very initial arguments started when somebody mentioned that the DSA selection was not fair. As some of the students from GEP do not need to go through GAT nor interviews and secured a confirmed place. Personally heard from RGS that most DSA places are offered to GEP students, not by GAT/interview, but because they are from GEP and with satisfactory school result! Would like to hear more views on this aspect only ..Is DSA more for GEP students only? Is it a fair selection?Cheers :celebrate: Agree with Merlion.
But i think when the word \" unfair \" was used by some here ...i don't think they mean to mean really \"unfair\"...but simply = \" puzzling\" over the DSA entry req'mt...so just relax ... and continue sharing with one another here. -
KSP65:
Hi KSP65
I have been following this forum and enjoying reading them. The very initial arguments started when somebody mentioned that the DSA selection was not fair. As some of the students from GEP do not need to go through GAT nor interviews and secured a confirmed place. Personally heard from RGS that most DSA places are offered to GEP students, not by GAT/interview, but because they are from GEP and with satisfactory school result! Would like to hear more views on this aspect only ..Is DSA more for GEP students only? Is it a fair selection?
I'm curious to know, who did you hear from at RGS that DSA places were offered to GEP students based not on GAT nor interview?
As far as I know, all successful GEP students had to go through an interview with the RGS panel and the results are not known yet. -
Hey...i agree with Turquiose...i know that NYGH also interview GEP students if necessary (refer to their DSA FAQ website)... they only skip the GAT as they are GEP already!
Anyway... i think most of us here are all kind of speculating only...let's wait for the outcome of DSA for some of us here concerned.
Those children who got gd news and hv gained entry. :celebrate: In some ways i personally believe they must have some attributes that suits the DSA school needs. And though i myself can only hope for the best for my DD's DSA to NYGH until then...i will hv absolutely no clear idea the req'mt lo. -
NdHelpParent:
And i would like to add that the DSA schools may hv different req'mt for different year...if you check webpage and compare NYGH used to have tests for the 4 subjects previously if i m correct..and this yr 2009..NYGH only GAT test and interview (if necessary) for NON GEP academic. And again its entry procedure is different from RGS perhaps(cos i didnt check as did not apply RGS) and others mayb.Hey...i agree with Turquiose...i know that NYGH also interview GEP students if necessary (refer to their DSA FAQ website)... they only skip the GAT as they are GEP already!
Anyway... i think most of us here are all kind of speculating only...let's wait for the outcome of DSA for some of us here concerned.
Those children who got gd news and hv gained entry. :celebrate: In some ways i personally believe they must have some attributes that suits the DSA school needs. And though i myself can only hope for the best for my DD's DSA to NYGH until then...i will hv absolutely no clear idea the req'mt lo. -
ksp65[quote]Is DSA more for GEP students only? Is it a fair selection?[/quote]
Again another hear say and another 'unfairness' mentioned.
KSP65:[quote]I have been following this forum and enjoying reading them.[/quote]I really doubt that you have been following this forum ??? :?
If you did, you will not have believe in hear say and starting another doubts on GEP students again.
Yes, even my boy need to go through interveiw at RI and also sat for a writing test cum interview at HCI and to date there is still no news.
Even if they are excused (so far I only heard about NYG), they must score above 80% in their SA1 at P6 which means they must be already the top 1%
Ok, this excused for test did not apply for boys applying for HCI and RI, even if they score 90%. (All this was mentioned in the earlier post)
Turquoise is definiitely right. KSP65 please re-read the complete forum and read them caredully if you are really keen about this topic. Thank you. -
NdHelpParent:
And i would like to add that the DSA schools may hv different req'mt for different year...if you check webpage and compare NYGH used to have tests for the 4 subjects previously if i m correct..and this yr 2009..NYGH only GAT test and interview (if necessary) for NON GEP academic. And again its entry procedure is different from RGS perhaps(cos i didnt check as did not apply RGS) and others mayb.
Yes, NYGH DSA's procedure last year included written tests in several subjects including a Chinese essay, as well as interviews. GEP students had to take the tests too.
btw, has anyone in mainstream who didn't go for NYGH interview get a confirmed offer already? -
edanson:
ksp65[quote]Is DSA more for GEP students only? Is it a fair selection?
Again another hear say and another 'unfairness' mentioned.
KSP65:[quote]I have been following this forum and enjoying reading them.[/quote]I really doubt that you have been following this forum ??? :?
If you did, you will not have believe in hear say and starting another doubts on GEP students again.
Yes, even my boy need to go through interveiw at RI and also sat for a writing test cum interview at HCI and to date there is still no news.
Even if they are excused (so far I only heard about NYG), they must score above 80% in their SA1 at P6 which means they must be already the top 1%
Ok, this excused for test did not apply for boys applying for HCI and RI, even if they score 90%. (All this was mentioned in the earlier post)
Turquoise is definiitely right. KSP65 please re-read the complete forum and read them caredully if you are really keen about this topic. Thank you.[/quote]Please no personal attack here. We do not need experts that know the topic well to give their views. Otherwise this forum is only opened to moe/school/teachers.
There is no doubts on GEP students ability. The doubts is (sure some parents think the same) the selection is fair or not? Some schools allows GEP students to apply earlier, some schools allow GEP students to skip any screening tests. Isn't this priority given to GEP students for these schools?
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NdHelpParent:
I'd beg to differ. No one can confirm if gep = good score in GAT.Hey...i agree with Turquiose...i know that NYGH also interview GEP students if necessary (refer to their DSA FAQ website)... they only skip the GAT as they are GEP already!
They are 2 different tests of abilities on their own. And because of the fact that the GAT tests do screen some people out of the school admissions, i feel that all the students would be given an equal chance of getting admitted through DSA only if gep students went for the screening tests as well. -
edanson:
ksp65[quote]Is DSA more for GEP students only? Is it a fair selection?
Again another hear say and another 'unfairness' mentioned.
KSP65:[quote]I have been following this forum and enjoying reading them.[/quote]I really doubt that you have been following this forum ??? :?
If you did, you will not have believe in hear say and starting another doubts on GEP students again.
Yes, even my boy need to go through interveiw at RI and also sat for a writing test cum interview at HCI and to date there is still no news.
Even if they are excused (so far I only heard about NYG), they must score above 80% in their SA1 at P6 which means they must be already the top 1%
Ok, this excused for test did not apply for boys applying for HCI and RI, even if they score 90%. (All this was mentioned in the earlier post)
Turquoise is definiitely right. KSP65 please re-read the complete forum and read them caredully if you are really keen about this topic. Thank you.[/quote]The situation here is very clear and it will never end. If you have a child in GEP, he is deemed to be gifted because he has proven himself in the P3 MCQ screening test. And by all means, the parents will also prove to you that he is REALLY gifted because he doesn't need to be trained for MO, he has all the talents and passion for the subject. Good job, mummy & daddy. If he doesn't do too well in PSLE, please excuse him because he is being trained (oops, wrong word to use, not trained but exposed) to more complex and more indepth subject and leave no time to prepare well enough for PSLE. So, when they apply for DSA, they should be excused from taking GAT because it's afterall just a General Ability Test which they have already taken during their P3 screening test. What for waste time and resources.
But it's ok, because ultimately, the only passport to the U is the A level results, heng ah! Good luck to GEPers' (parents, I mean).
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