Any Updates As To When PSLE T-Scores Will Be Scrapped?
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jetsetter:
For a start, at least for pioneering batch, implementation year 2021 -
Am sure MOE will work with them to convert their respective 2020 T-COPs into AL-COPs for students and parents to refer to come 2021.
Moe should print out 2 column.
For each Secondary schools listed inside the S1 choosing of 6 schools booklet / instruction manual, issued to 2021 P6 students (born 2009, pioneering batch for AL) :
- first column : to show the new AL Cut-off Point requirement, for each Secondary schools' admission,
- second column (for reference only) : to show the equivalent T-score, calculated by MOE professional statisticians.
So that it gives parents & students an idea roughly, what is the new AL score equivalent to the T-score like, since many of us are familiar with T-score.
Subsequently as time go by, or after a few Psle batches after 2021, as more parents & P6 students getting more familiar with the new AL score, no need to show the T-score anymore. -
phtthp:
Haha...so detailed. Ok...let the Ox and Tiger parents give their inputs... We have our own battles to fight... :siam:
For a start, at least for pioneering batch, implementation year 2021 -jetsetter:
Am sure MOE will work with them to convert their respective 2020 T-COPs into AL-COPs for students and parents to refer to come 2021.
Moe should print out 2 column.
For each Secondary schools listed inside the S1 choosing of 6 schools booklet / instruction manual, issued to 2021 P6 students (born 2009, pioneering batch for AL) :
- first column : to show the new AL Cut-off Point requirement, for each Secondary schools' admission,
- second column (for reference only) : to show the equivalent T-score, calculated by MOE professional statisticians.
So that it gives parents & students an idea roughly, what is the new AL score equivalent to the T-score like, since many of us are familiar with T-score.
Subsequently as time go by, or after a few Psle batches after 2021, as more parents & P6 students getting more familiar with the new AL score, no need to show the T-score anymore. -
pirate:
It certainly is in the right direction to spread high scoring students among more schools.. but.. will the new scoring system improve the \"spread\" significantly over the current one?SpartanMum:
I believe the competition won't be in the category where the total points is 4 or less becos I believe there won't be that many of these. It will be likely in the 5-7 category that the competition to get into elite schools will be intense.
I am one of those who believe that spreading the high scoring students among more schools instead of having all of them crammed into a handful of so-called 'elite' schools is the right direction.
The new system is almost identical to the current 'O' level's scoring system, and the top 'O' level scorers are still cramming into the top 2, and the rest top JCs still unable to achieve the same 'glamour' as those 2.
In fact, I suspect it would make the elite more 'elite' than before: you'll need to be 4 pointers to be assured of a place in those schools, ie you'll need to score Al1 in all 4 subjects! Currently, if you are weaker in a particular subject (normally Chinese for Chinese students, I observe), you could make it up by getting good scores in the other 3. This is no longer possible under the new system, to get 4 points, one die die must also get >90 marks for his/her weakest subject.
The easiest way to achieve this is, of course, to get extra helps for the weakest subject, via tuition. And charges by those so-called high end tuition centres and 'top tutors' are not cheap, and not every parents could afford them.
So, under the new scoring system, I wouldn't be surprised if the elite schools get more students from more elite family background, making the elite schools more 'elite' than before. -
Have been observing the level of interest in this whole "AL scoring and balloting system" on display here in Kiasuparents. I mentioned to my son’s math tutor, Mr Zhou, that his centre should start offering a course on "Game Theory" for all the parents of this year’s cohort of primary 1 students. We had a good laugh at the absurdity of it.
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superkiasudad:
After observing the level of interest in this whole AL grading on display here in Kiasuparents. I told my son's math tutor, Mr Zhou, that his centre should start offering a course on \"Game Theory\" for all the parents of this batch of primary 1 students. We had a good laugh at the absurdity of it.
Game Theory is in play, knowingly or unknowingly for most people, for most part of our lives. -
mum_sugoku:
Agree with the second point. Those scoring in the 80-89 range, can be propelled to 90+ with more enrichment classes. So for that section of students, it becomes more compelling.
It certainly is in the right direction to spread high scoring students among more schools.. but.. will the new scoring system improve the \"spread\" significantly over the current one?
The spread has to be gradual not too drastic. Instead of top 5 , there will be demand for the top 10, so on. Students should be more spread out but not of markablly different academic levels because catering to them in one class may become hard , so also schools catering to a diverge range of students will not be efficient even if that were possible.
The new system is almost identical to the current 'O' level's scoring system, and the top 'O' level scorers are still cramming into the top 2, and the rest top JCs still unable to achieve the same 'glamour' as those 2.
In fact, I suspect it would make the elite more 'elite' than before: you'll need to be 4 pointers to be assured of a place in those schools, ie you'll need to score Al1 in all 4 subjects! Currently, if you are weaker in a particular subject (normally Chinese for Chinese students, I observe), you could make it up by getting good scores in the other 3. This is no longer possible under the new system, to get 4 points, one die die must also get >90 marks for his/her weakest subject.
The easiest way to achieve this is, of course, to get extra helps for the weakest subject, via tuition. And charges by those so-called high end tuition centres and 'top tutors' are not cheap, and not every parents could afford them.
So, under the new scoring system, I wouldn't be surprised if the elite schools get more students from more elite family background, making the elite schools more 'elite' than before.
But then what is the situation now? Now most including those who score 90+ consistently are in enrichment centers - because 90 is not enough, not even 95, when one can get 100. A boost in one subject may help pull up the lag in another. So every single mark matters. And the enrichment centres are minting money anyway. -
Sun_2010:
Personally, I rather see tuition centres being set up to help students weak in a particular subjects than the current situation whereby elite tuition agencies are training a 95 pointer to become a 100 pointer. The former, IMHO, is understandable but the latter is simply ridiculous.
Agree with the second point. Those scoring in the 80-89 range, can be propelled to 90+ with more enrichment classes. So for that section of students, it becomes more compelling.mum_sugoku:
It certainly is in the right direction to spread high scoring students among more schools.. but.. will the new scoring system improve the \"spread\" significantly over the current one?
The spread has to be gradual not too drastic. Instead of top 5 , there will be demand for the top 10, so on. Students should be more spread out but not of markablly different academic levels because catering to them in one class may become hard , so also schools catering to a diverge range of students will not be efficient even if that were possible.
The new system is almost identical to the current 'O' level's scoring system, and the top 'O' level scorers are still cramming into the top 2, and the rest top JCs still unable to achieve the same 'glamour' as those 2.
In fact, I suspect it would make the elite more 'elite' than before: you'll need to be 4 pointers to be assured of a place in those schools, ie you'll need to score Al1 in all 4 subjects! Currently, if you are weaker in a particular subject (normally Chinese for Chinese students, I observe), you could make it up by getting good scores in the other 3. This is no longer possible under the new system, to get 4 points, one die die must also get >90 marks for his/her weakest subject.
The easiest way to achieve this is, of course, to get extra helps for the weakest subject, via tuition. And charges by those so-called high end tuition centres and 'top tutors' are not cheap, and not every parents could afford them.
So, under the new scoring system, I wouldn't be surprised if the elite schools get more students from more elite family background, making the elite schools more 'elite' than before.
But then what is the situation now? Now most including those who score 90+ consistently are in enrichment centers - because 90 is not enough, not even 95, when one can get 100. A boost in one subject may help pull up the lag in another. So every single mark matters. And the enrichment centres are minting money anyway. -
One thing that I disagree is how they assigned 45-64 to AL6. It should be split into 45-54 and 55-64.
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jetsetter:
10% is a lot. Poor kids who get knocked out due to a55luck.
The only way to reduce balloting is to make the sorting tool finer. And then we end up merely transferring the luck of the computerized balloting to the luck of whether the 'right' questions come out in the paper for the child. -
Sun_2010:
No idea about the situation now..
Agree with the second point. Those scoring in the 80-89 range, can be propelled to 90+ with more enrichment classes. So for that section of students, it becomes more compelling.mum_sugoku:
It certainly is in the right direction to spread high scoring students among more schools.. but.. will the new scoring system improve the \"spread\" significantly over the current one?
The spread has to be gradual not too drastic. Instead of top 5 , there will be demand for the top 10, so on. Students should be more spread out but not of markablly different academic levels because catering to them in one class may become hard , so also schools catering to a diverge range of students will not be efficient even if that were possible.
The new system is almost identical to the current 'O' level's scoring system, and the top 'O' level scorers are still cramming into the top 2, and the rest top JCs still unable to achieve the same 'glamour' as those 2.
In fact, I suspect it would make the elite more 'elite' than before: you'll need to be 4 pointers to be assured of a place in those schools, ie you'll need to score Al1 in all 4 subjects! Currently, if you are weaker in a particular subject (normally Chinese for Chinese students, I observe), you could make it up by getting good scores in the other 3. This is no longer possible under the new system, to get 4 points, one die die must also get >90 marks for his/her weakest subject.
The easiest way to achieve this is, of course, to get extra helps for the weakest subject, via tuition. And charges by those so-called high end tuition centres and 'top tutors' are not cheap, and not every parents could afford them.
So, under the new scoring system, I wouldn't be surprised if the elite schools get more students from more elite family background, making the elite schools more 'elite' than before.
But then what is the situation now? Now most including those who score 90+ consistently are in enrichment centers - because 90 is not enough, not even 95, when one can get 100. A boost in one subject may help pull up the lag in another. So every single mark matters. And the enrichment centres are minting money anyway.
In my kid's case, except for the eldest who's very weak in Chinese (almost failed) and needed tuition in Chinese, they've never had any tuition. (Myself am unfamiliar with their school's syllabus and so couldn't help them too. I give their dedicated school teachers 100% credit for my kids' 'A's and 'A*'s in PSLE
). In fact, their pri school teacher told us, very proudly :evil: , that most top scorers in their batch had no tuition too.
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