Teachers' Violence

[Daddy D]

Sun_2010:

My take is - for a teacher
no losing temper and resorting to voilence / physical punishment.
Being in control, and doling out small physical punishment (which the pupils are aware of) is ok.

Yeah.. totally agree.
Punishment in a controlled manner... not from emotional outburst.
Applies to parents too

[Daddy D]

Jennifer:

That's make me the tigress

Orrhhh... u the fierce one!
If I scold my dd... my wife will scold me! haha!

But I think most if not all parents think their own kids are ANGELS... and thus overlook/condone their mistakes.

[duriz]

Daddy

But I think most if not all parents think their own kids are ANGELS... and thus overlook/condone their mistakes.

I beg to differ.
We only have one child (so far).
DD will be one year old next month.
DH and I do not mollycoddle her.
We know that she is very spoilt (by grandparents) so we reason with and discipline her.
She loves and fear the two of us the most.
We both use the same method and sometimes feel sad after raising our voice (a little) at her but that's enough to set her right, with tears in her eyes and quivering lips.
But after that, we always hug and make up.
She has not yet repeated a mistake/naughty act.

[markfch]

Daddy

If you worry about the little kid's pride over such incident... I think I rather teach him more life skills to get over these... than see him suffer more later in teenage/adult life.

What worries me is not the ego thing. I'm more coming from the angle of the lesson learned. I do not want our kids to grow up thinking that they can resort to violence whenever in their eyes they feel that others didn't do right. What is the difference between a teacher throw a duster at a student and a hubby throwing a duster at a wife?

I too subscribe to the notion that punishment when appropriate helps to build character. But there has to be a more effective and less traumatic punishment than resorting to violence. Also what if that student genuinely became sick while in sch?

[dunnoleh]

Daddy

Hmm... am I the odd one out here?


During my time, I remember my Pri sch teacher used to throw the chalk duster across the classroom to hit the mischievious kid. Pretty accurate somemore... and funny to see the kid covered in chalk!

I think most parents are just too overly-protective towards kids.

The way I interpret the article... the parent seems to condone the kid sleeping in class...

When a child breaks a rule, there is a big difference between applying disciplinary measures and throwing a pencil case at his head.
Such behaviour has nothing to do with whether parents are overly-protective.

Students pick up all sorts of behaviour patterns from teachers, both good and bad ones.
How can such behaviour from teachers be accepted?

[pampers]

So, if it’s a 2.5yrs old boy got his hand hit by the teacher is ok too? (if off topic, sorry, but I need some input)

[dimsum]

When I was in primary school, I had a male teacher who would throw chalks at students who yawned during lessons (I was one of them :lol: ). None of our parents complained about his act. We were amused by this chalk throwing act. No one's ego was hurt. However, if this happens now... Parents these days are too protective of their precious kids.

[Daddy D]

pampers:

So, if it's a 2.5yrs old boy got his hand hit by the teacher is ok too? (if off topic, sorry, but I need some input)

2.5 yrs old? Child care centre ah?
Depends whether the teacher can justify or not bah...
I cannot imagine handling a room full of screaming/crying toddlers... so I cannot expect the teacher to do what I cannot do...

Previously when my dd acts up for no reason... I will give a \"light\" tap on her hand... and she will cry liao. Nowadays dd (5 yrs old) is more sensible... will understand when we explain... so no need much disciplinary actions.

[corneyAmber]

My take is:


Teacher CAN punish the kids if they are in the wrong but CANNOT abuse them.

So it is a question of whether a teacher knows how to draw the line between Punish and Abuse?

Maybe MOE can list out guidelines on examples of punish versus abuse to provide teachers with more clarity?

This example reported in the news is ABUSE. The teacher should approach the boy at the desk and nudge him gently to wake him up. Then check if he is sick, if not, he should be made to stand up in the class throughout the lesson to avoid sleeping again. This punishment will serve as a warning to the rest that if they sleep too, they have to stand up to listen to the lesson.

Also, the school should help the teachers manage anger by pasting the message at the back of the class which the teacher can read clearly…sth like this:

人家气我, 我不气，
我若气时, 中他计，
要是气死, 没人替，
想想还是, 别生气。

Just to share a personal experience. When my child was in K1, she suddenly put her head on the table to sleep in school. I was glad the teacher did not throw anything at her because she was diagnosed to have HFMD!!

[blueblue]

Daddy

Hmm... am I the odd one out here?


During my time, I remember my Pri sch teacher used to throw the chalk duster across the classroom to hit the mischievious kid. Pretty accurate somemore... and funny to see the kid covered in chalk!

I think most parents are just too overly-protective towards kids.

The way I interpret the article... the parent seems to condone the kid sleeping in class...

You are not the only one. Most teachers in my primary school were 'terrors' though a handful were very nice.

I can list down the acts.

-pulling of hair (some gals tied their hair in plait and makes it easier for teacher to pull)
-pinching of cheeks (till red)
-pulling of ears (full force)
-class made to stand on tables/chairs
-class made to squat under tables (though I find it pretty funny)
-students made to stand inside dustbins
-books/pencils thrown across room or even out of windows (sometimes it happened just because a gal never follow instruction to use 2B pencil)
-hitting heavily on the head with textbook
-use of words like 'stupid' & idiots'
-standing outside class

What I hated most was that the teachers loved to summon siblings or even cousins when the younger ones made some mistake.




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