Teachers' Violence
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Daddy
What worries me is not the ego thing. I'm more coming from the angle of the lesson learned. I do not want our kids to grow up thinking that they can resort to violence whenever in their eyes they feel that others didn't do right. What is the difference between a teacher throw a duster at a student and a hubby throwing a duster at a wife?
If you worry about the little kid's pride over such incident... I think I rather teach him more life skills to get over these... than see him suffer more later in teenage/adult life.
I too subscribe to the notion that punishment when appropriate helps to build character. But there has to be a more effective and less traumatic punishment than resorting to violence. Also what if that student genuinely became sick while in sch? -
Daddy
When a child breaks a rule, there is a big difference between applying disciplinary measures and throwing a pencil case at his head.Hmm... am I the odd one out here?
During my time, I remember my Pri sch teacher used to throw the chalk duster across the classroom to hit the mischievious kid. Pretty accurate somemore... and funny to see the kid covered in chalk!
I think most parents are just too overly-protective towards kids.
The way I interpret the article... the parent seems to condone the kid sleeping in class...
Such behaviour has nothing to do with whether parents are overly-protective.
Students pick up all sorts of behaviour patterns from teachers, both good and bad ones.
How can such behaviour from teachers be accepted? -
So, if it’s a 2.5yrs old boy got his hand hit by the teacher is ok too? (if off topic, sorry, but I need some input)
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When I was in primary school, I had a male teacher who would throw chalks at students who yawned during lessons (I was one of them :lol: ). None of our parents complained about his act. We were amused by this chalk throwing act. No one's ego was hurt. However, if this happens now... Parents these days are too protective of their precious kids.
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pampers:
So, if it's a 2.5yrs old boy got his hand hit by the teacher is ok too? (if off topic, sorry, but I need some input)
2.5 yrs old? Child care centre ah?
Depends whether the teacher can justify or not bah...
I cannot imagine handling a room full of screaming/crying toddlers... so I cannot expect the teacher to do what I cannot do...
Previously when my dd acts up for no reason... I will give a \"light\" tap on her hand... and she will cry liao. Nowadays dd (5 yrs old) is more sensible... will understand when we explain... so no need much disciplinary actions. -
My take is:
Teacher CAN punish the kids if they are in the wrong but CANNOT abuse them.
So it is a question of whether a teacher knows how to draw the line between Punish and Abuse?
Maybe MOE can list out guidelines on examples of punish versus abuse to provide teachers with more clarity?
This example reported in the news is ABUSE. The teacher should approach the boy at the desk and nudge him gently to wake him up. Then check if he is sick, if not, he should be made to stand up in the class throughout the lesson to avoid sleeping again. This punishment will serve as a warning to the rest that if they sleep too, they have to stand up to listen to the lesson.
Also, the school should help the teachers manage anger by pasting the message at the back of the class which the teacher can read clearly…sth like this:
人家气我, 我不气，
我若气时, 中他计，
要是气死, 没人替，
想想还是, 别生气。
Just to share a personal experience. When my child was in K1, she suddenly put her head on the table to sleep in school. I was glad the teacher did not throw anything at her because she was diagnosed to have HFMD!! -
Daddy
You are not the only one. Most teachers in my primary school were 'terrors' though a handful were very nice.Hmm... am I the odd one out here?
During my time, I remember my Pri sch teacher used to throw the chalk duster across the classroom to hit the mischievious kid. Pretty accurate somemore... and funny to see the kid covered in chalk!
I think most parents are just too overly-protective towards kids.
The way I interpret the article... the parent seems to condone the kid sleeping in class...
I can list down the acts.
-pulling of hair (some gals tied their hair in plait and makes it easier for teacher to pull)
-pinching of cheeks (till red)
-pulling of ears (full force)
-class made to stand on tables/chairs
-class made to squat under tables (though I find it pretty funny)
-students made to stand inside dustbins
-books/pencils thrown across room or even out of windows (sometimes it happened just because a gal never follow instruction to use 2B pencil)
-hitting heavily on the head with textbook
-use of words like 'stupid' & idiots'
-standing outside class
What I hated most was that the teachers loved to summon siblings or even cousins when the younger ones made some mistake.
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ksi:
Yes... anger management... I believe it happens to everyone... be it kids or adults.
Also, the school should help the teachers manage anger by pasting the message at the back of the class which the teacher can read clearly...sth like this:
人家气我, 我不气，
我若气时, 中他计，
要是气死, 没人替，
想想还是, 别生气。
Wonder if kids will \"inherit\" anger from parents? -
\"Spare the rod and spoil the child\". It is only true for PARENTS.
Me think as parents we need to discipline our kids to the extent as to not to spare the rod.
So :spank: if necessary.
Rather you \"whack\" your own child than other people whack for you, no matter how authoritative they are! ie. teachers, policemen, next time garmen??
It is NOT OK for me to have duster full of chalk thrown at a student and let others laugh at him. In fact when I was in Primary 2, I can still remember a male teacher using the duster and hit a boy on his cheek. And that is after countless times after this teacher told him not to make so much noise and listen to his teaching! After what the teacher did, absolute silence - you can hear a pin-drop from the rest of us! BTW, this boy is now a Police Inspector!
I could not believe what I am reading here so many parents condoning physical violence towards the students no matter how naughty?
I am still reeling from shock from what happened during today's first consultation with a speech therapist for my boy. We went into the ST's room which was so quiet you can hear a pin-drop. Straightaway my 3 yo wanted to go out and go home. He started crying I have to calm him down. When the ST came out, she physically forced him to sit down, hold his hand and sternly told him to take out his shoes. Then she shoved him towards the shoe-rack and told him to put it on there! By now he was crying big time and looking at me wondering what is happening? Then the ST showed us to the room and sat us down on a kid's table & chair. When my boy did not stop crying, she suddenly got up and pulled him out of a chair and shoved him into a corner \"Stop crying or you are going to stand here in this corner!\". Then after a couple of seconds when he did not stop, she grab his shoulders and shoved him out of the room and told me not to follow. She told my boy \"If you don't stop crying you are going to stay here!\". At this point I can no longer tahan and told the ST let me carry him and calm him down first! This ST was pissed at me for not letting her do her stuff, she think I am too soft! When he calmed down a little, I took him back into the room and sat down and she told him to do certain things like shape-box and say some words. He followed gasping and trying to control his crying (all with mummy and maid looking on).
After one hour, he was actually OK and smiling and the ST told him \"See not so bad after all right\"? She gave us some advice and bill me SGD200.
Shit! I paid SGD200 just for a stranger to whack my boy around!
:stupid:
I am a GOONDU MUMMY!
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It is ok to punish the kids if they made a mistake. To avoid this means spoiling them. There are people who will always say that kids are kids, they will grow up and outgrow that, so we should give them allowance/chance now. I do not subscribe to that.
Having said that, choosing the appropriate method to punish the kids is very important. Anything that will cause bodily hurt should be refrained from. I agree that kids should not be all pampered, and should be able to take some hardship. But if vital parts of the body get injured, that’s another thing.
It is also true that the immature students might misconstrue that it is acceptable to throw things at others’ head - a recipe for disaster.
The punishment should have been better chosen.
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