IP, IB vs A Levels
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IB means the students need to be “all rounder” in all subjects
while “A” level allows students to go more in depth at individual subjects by offering H3 level
as a pre-uni course, especially if intending to specialise in uni courses that rely on pre-u foundation, it might be more appropriate to have a stronger foundation via A level to minimise struggle in uni -
jtoh:
First off, you have to realize that ACS(I) takes the top students into its IB programme. At Yr 1, only those who score an aggregate of more than 255 are accepted into IB (except DSA students of course). More students are admitted into IB at Yr 3 and Yr 5, again all top students. So it is not surprising that ACS(I) does very well at the international level. Another thing to note is that ACS(I) will ask students who aren't performing that well in IB to consider leaving the programme, again boosting its overall performance.
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jtoh:
First off, you have to realize that ACS(I) takes the top students into its IB programme. At Yr 1, only those who score an aggregate of more than 255 are accepted into IB (except DSA students of course). More students are admitted into IB at Yr 3 and Yr 5, again all top students. So it is not surprising that ACS(I) does very well at the international level. Another thing to note is that ACS(I) will ask students who aren't performing that well in IB to consider leaving the programme, again boosting its overall performance.
So for those who have to leave the program because they cannot potentially keep the school IB standard up high, what happen to them? Do they stay in ACSI and do 'O' level and then go to JC? Do they offer IGCSE like some International schools do if the student is not competent to do the IB diploma?
It's sad that ACSI is so elitist. Actually the IB program is meant for all, not just the cream of the crop, otherwise how do the International schools run their business. It is therefore not fair or wise to judge the IB program base on ACSI results. I think ACSI is doing IB Diploma to differentiate itself to compete with schools like RI and HCI for the high achiever students. They also sell the program as more superior to A level to attract these bright students over. Apparently, that works. If not for the IB prog. it would not be one of the top schools so quickly. I think ACSI is very very clever and I congratulate them for their success but I don't agree with their style. -
jtoh:
First off, you have to realize that ACS(I) takes the top students into its IB programme. At Yr 1, only those who score an aggregate of more than 255 are accepted into IB (except DSA students of course). More students are admitted into IB at Yr 3 and Yr 5, again all top students. So it is not surprising that ACS(I) does very well at the international level. Another thing to note is that ACS(I) will ask students who aren't performing that well in IB to consider leaving the programme, again boosting its overall performance.
I am hoping that ACS(I) continue to take outside students at year 5. That's how they started first batch which bring staller result...next batch will be out only in Jan-2011.... With intake at yr1 & yr3 , ACS will take very few students at Yr5... :roll:
If they are admitting immediately after PSLE(that too thro' DSA) , is n't it too early... ACS -international does that for very high fee @ 20000 SGD per year ...
Please don't shut out door for O-level students to take Yr-5 route to IB... For bright students there is Integrated program is there ... then leave ACS-I IB program for O level students who has missed IP train.... -
After reading this forum, I’ve been given the impression that many parents prefer the IP system as compared to O levels. Can some people shed light on this as I don’t understand… Thanks
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IP = Integrated Program
The students don’t do ‘O’ level and head straight to ‘A’ level or IB
As anyone who has been a student before knows, Sec 4 year was spent preparing for ‘O’ level exam, drill and drill, and out come the perfect 8A1s, 9A1s etc etc…then wait a few months before enrolling at the JC…and after studying a few more months, time to prepare the ‘A’ level exams again in order to get into unis (local & overseas)
since those kids who are good with the studies are quite surely uni bound, esp those with t-score above 250…and spending lots of time preparing O level and waiting to go JC 1 are time wasted and also had to pace the rest of the O level cohort while they could possibly finish off the O level scope by end of year 3…hence the idea of the “through-train” came about
those smart students can use the time freed up from doing O levels preparation to do in depth subject study, and since no need to drill and prepare to sit O level…they can also advance very quickly through the scope of study instead of waiting for the mandatory 4 year O level track (Singapore MOE mandatory)…
therefore it was a bold but successful implementation of the IP track that comes with enriched curriculum for the kids starting from sec 1 all the way to JC 2, learn more things, do more projects, cover more overseas immersion, more in depth study, partner the uni in research etc while scoring well in the eventual A level still…so the IP track becomes well sought after by parents / kids if the kids’ results are clearly above 250…(top 10%)
and with the intro of IP and through train at the famous JC…it also means entering those JC at year 5 from O level applicants become even much much more difficult because many of the places are already taken by the sec 1 intake with t-score more than 250 or 260 plus plus…resulting in having a ridiculous low L1R5 of 3 points in order to enter HCI & RJC … 3 points from 6 subjects…
hence the rush for IP places at PSLE level, with kids preparing for DSA from Pri 5 onwards, hoping to secure confirmed offer from the IP schools even before taking the PSLE!!!
and also some IP schools have starting “recruiting” the kids from Pri 5 onward…and soft sell / hard sell the schools to them … -
I guess that’s life. For students taking ‘O’ levels, you really need to be the top 0.something per cent if u wanna get into top jc. You must have all A1, high cca points etc. Good luck and study hard!!!
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IB may not be as good as what schools may ‘sweet talk’ for local students in Singapore. Students pay $400 upwards of school fees per month which is not helping with the cost of education. The cost of education should not be raised as an expensive education is really not necessary for a pre-u qualification. The IB programme can be left to international schools, and students who intend to study overseas and whose parents are well able and willing to support them financially should they study overseas after completing IB.
The ‘A’ levels is still a well-recognised qualification in Singapore. Therefore, it is not necessary to do the IB. Local universities recognise the ‘A’ levels, and the Singapore workplace also recognise the ‘N’, ‘O’ and ‘A’ levels.
Also, the IB programme is not necessarily meant to be an elitist programme. Do not just listen to the ‘sweet talk’ of schools promoting the IB programme. The IB programme is meant for students who are average and above, and is meant to be a programme that international schools can run and most international students can do.
Running the IB programme as an elitist programme only increases the pressure on students to perform well. Thus, not only are students paying much much more (and emptying their parents’ bank accounts), they could also have additional goals set by the school to try to meet. For example, the school may set the target that all students should get at least 38 points (out of 45) for the IB diploma, and that all students should get either 6 or 7 (where 7 is the highest grade) for all their subjects. I seriously doubt that this is the right mindset to approach education because education should not be demanding and wanting results from students. Rather, education should be a positive experience where learning is enriching. -
Considering that most of the students are under the MOE independent school scholarship, that would lessen the cost by half. The school fees at other independent JC like RI is not cheap either. But it’s justified because A levels cannot be left to international schools?
The school may set the target because they believe that is what the students are capable of achieving. The boys all come in with PSLE score of 255+, and the O level students come in with an average of L1R5 3, which shows that they have the aptitude to perform that well. The school is only setting the target as a goal for the students to work towards, and give them a push in the right direction. It’s also what’s best for the students. With such a competitive admission requirement to universities now, I don’t think any student vying for top universities would be contended with just 38 points anyway.
Besides, which top schools in Singapore are not setting targets for the students? Primary schools set PSLE targets, express track secondary schools set O level targets, and JCs set A level targets for students. So it is not the inherent flaw of the IB program as this is ubiquitous in the whole island. -
radiantmum:
PM's son switched to A level at RJCinsider:
In my opinion, IB is more valuable than A levels. I prefer their subjects more than those offered in the A levels in a sense coz more 'well rounded' (A levels still very academic based which to me is more towards 读死书、死读书、读书死).
& I am one of those churned \"products\" At least can laugh at myself, not so bad lah.
My preference is IB too for DS ... then again - it'll be ages down the road.
PM's son was from IB, that says something as well isn't it?
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harini:
Is it true that RI may be offering IB soon ?
Highly unlikely. From what I've heard, they would like different independent schools to offer different programs so it's likely that RI and HCI will continue with the A Levels in the foreseeable future. -
There is less emphasis on Chinese Language in IB.
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PSLE 2012:
I think RI wanted to since its well known but guess approval by MOE not granted.harini:
Is it true that RI may be offering IB soon ?
Highly unlikely. From what I've heard, they would like different independent schools to offer different programs so it's likely that RI and HCI will continue with the A Levels in the foreseeable future.
http://rafflespa-pri-message.blogspot.sg/2010/06/ask-mrs-lim-may-2010.html -
I have gone through the IB programme. The way ACS (Indep) runs the IB programme is very pressuring towards students, seems to be run very much like ‘A’ levels. Class tests, exams, graded coursework, think of topics for graded coursework, focus camp, etc. I think the thinking of topics for graded coursework is the headache part. I don’t think a preuniversity course is worth the headaches of thinking of your own topics for graded coursework, and not only that, the topics must be relevant and allow one to fulfil the marking criteria. Singapore ‘A’ levels underwent a revamp a couple of years ago which shows changes can be made to the Singapore ‘A’ levels. As the ‘A’ levels is widely recognised locally and overseas, the ‘A’ levels is a fully viable option. Therefore, I would recommend the ‘A’ levels as I feel that the IB experience is not better. More expensive, and not better, so why waste money??
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What are IB-options for students unable to get in good JC because L1R5 highly driven by score in Maths & Science subjets.
Have listed some… add new one offering
ACS-I
SJI
All international schools
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though this is an old post, but it makes me understand where does psle stress come from
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Serafiel:
Anyone knows what CLEP stands for? Thkslol, I got 7A1s and 3A2s and just managed to squeeze in HC lor.
It's really very hard to get in here.
She should have just taken CLEP.
Because 3pters are a lot... -
appreciate detailed analysis & info provided
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phtthp:
appreciate detailed analysis & info provided
Wow....this is an very old posting of vks2010....guess was one of his longest posting.....
Indeed detailed info....informative for parents who are unsure of IP route for their kids.... -
ruohoo97:
though this is an old post, but it makes me understand where does psle stress come from
Of course stressed lah. Assuming the cohort size is 45,000, of which 50% are boys, and with RI intake at 450, u need to be the TOP 2% in SG to get in, or wait for kids in this 2% to give up their seats coz they rather be somewhere else.
Top 2% leh!! How not to be stressed?