IP, IB vs A Levels
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Considering that most of the students are under the MOE independent school scholarship, that would lessen the cost by half. The school fees at other independent JC like RI is not cheap either. But it’s justified because A levels cannot be left to international schools?
The school may set the target because they believe that is what the students are capable of achieving. The boys all come in with PSLE score of 255+, and the O level students come in with an average of L1R5 3, which shows that they have the aptitude to perform that well. The school is only setting the target as a goal for the students to work towards, and give them a push in the right direction. It’s also what’s best for the students. With such a competitive admission requirement to universities now, I don’t think any student vying for top universities would be contended with just 38 points anyway.
Besides, which top schools in Singapore are not setting targets for the students? Primary schools set PSLE targets, express track secondary schools set O level targets, and JCs set A level targets for students. So it is not the inherent flaw of the IB program as this is ubiquitous in the whole island. -
radiantmum:
PM's son switched to A level at RJCinsider:
In my opinion, IB is more valuable than A levels. I prefer their subjects more than those offered in the A levels in a sense coz more 'well rounded' (A levels still very academic based which to me is more towards 读死书、死读书、读书死).
& I am one of those churned \"products\" At least can laugh at myself, not so bad lah.
My preference is IB too for DS ... then again - it'll be ages down the road.
PM's son was from IB, that says something as well isn't it?
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harini:
Is it true that RI may be offering IB soon ?
Highly unlikely. From what I've heard, they would like different independent schools to offer different programs so it's likely that RI and HCI will continue with the A Levels in the foreseeable future. -
There is less emphasis on Chinese Language in IB.
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PSLE 2012:
I think RI wanted to since its well known but guess approval by MOE not granted.harini:
Is it true that RI may be offering IB soon ?
Highly unlikely. From what I've heard, they would like different independent schools to offer different programs so it's likely that RI and HCI will continue with the A Levels in the foreseeable future.
http://rafflespa-pri-message.blogspot.sg/2010/06/ask-mrs-lim-may-2010.html -
I have gone through the IB programme. The way ACS (Indep) runs the IB programme is very pressuring towards students, seems to be run very much like ‘A’ levels. Class tests, exams, graded coursework, think of topics for graded coursework, focus camp, etc. I think the thinking of topics for graded coursework is the headache part. I don’t think a preuniversity course is worth the headaches of thinking of your own topics for graded coursework, and not only that, the topics must be relevant and allow one to fulfil the marking criteria. Singapore ‘A’ levels underwent a revamp a couple of years ago which shows changes can be made to the Singapore ‘A’ levels. As the ‘A’ levels is widely recognised locally and overseas, the ‘A’ levels is a fully viable option. Therefore, I would recommend the ‘A’ levels as I feel that the IB experience is not better. More expensive, and not better, so why waste money??
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What are IB-options for students unable to get in good JC because L1R5 highly driven by score in Maths & Science subjets.
Have listed some… add new one offering
ACS-I
SJI
All international schools
Global indian school -
though this is an old post, but it makes me understand where does psle stress come from
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Serafiel:
Anyone knows what CLEP stands for? Thkslol, I got 7A1s and 3A2s and just managed to squeeze in HC lor.
It's really very hard to get in here.
She should have just taken CLEP.
Because 3pters are a lot... -
appreciate detailed analysis & info provided
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phtthp:
appreciate detailed analysis & info provided
Wow....this is an very old posting of vks2010....guess was one of his longest posting.....
Indeed detailed info....informative for parents who are unsure of IP route for their kids.... -
ruohoo97:
though this is an old post, but it makes me understand where does psle stress come from
Of course stressed lah. Assuming the cohort size is 45,000, of which 50% are boys, and with RI intake at 450, u need to be the TOP 2% in SG to get in, or wait for kids in this 2% to give up their seats coz they rather be somewhere else.
Top 2% leh!! How not to be stressed? -
Nebbermind:
But surely RI hasn't shrunk in % terms, meaning that in the past, did it take more than the top 2% of students? I think it's aspirations that have grown, not that the chances of getting into the handful of top schools has decreased.ruohoo97:
though this is an old post, but it makes me understand where does psle stress come from
Of course stressed lah. Assuming the cohort size is 45,000, of which 50% are boys, and with RI intake at 450, u need to be the TOP 2% in SG to get in, or wait for kids in this 2% to give up their seats coz they rather be somewhere else.
Top 2% leh!! How not to be stressed? -
But IP is risky in that if you screw up your As you don’t have an O level cert to fall back on.
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Then just repeat your A levels.
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Nowaday, even a degree don’t guarantee you anything. Don’t have to mention about A level cert. Is even more true with O level cert.
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jtoh:
Then just repeat your A levels.
I dont think so easy to repeat esp if you are a boy and your results are neither here or there.....NS is pending..... -
slmkhoo:
But surely RI hasn't shrunk in % terms, meaning that in the past, did it take more than the top 2% of students? I think it's aspirations that have grown, not that the chances of getting into the handful of top schools has decreased.[/quote]Cohort size used to be around 360 some 20-30 years ago. % wise I understand to be around 1%.Nebbermind:
[quote=\"ruohoo97\"]though this is an old post, but it makes me understand where does psle stress come from
Of course stressed lah. Assuming the cohort size is 45,000, of which 50% are boys, and with RI intake at 450, u need to be the TOP 2% in SG to get in, or wait for kids in this 2% to give up their seats coz they rather be somewhere else.
Top 2% leh!! How not to be stressed?
But then RJC were not all filled with RI/RGS students; at least 30% of the cohort did not go to RJC even with a 2 points affiliation. Some crossed over to HCJC/NJC and a lot did not make it. And HCJC were an even more mixed lot.
Now 40-50% of the places in RI and RGS were \"booked\" from a test conducted in P3 which screens for the top 1% at the age of 9 years old. The entire cohort in RI/RGS/HCI/NYGH remains intact from Year1 to Year6 with a minuscule number of places available for O level entrants. -
AWSP:
Your numbers above may not be correct.
Cohort size used to be around 360 some 20-30 years ago. % wise I understand to be around 1%.
But then RJC are not all filled with RI/RGS students; at least 30% of the cohort did not go to RJC even with a 2 points affiliation. Some cross over to HCJC/NJC and a lot did not make it. And HCJC were an even more mixed lot.
Now 40-50% of the places in RI and RGS were \"booked\" from a test conducted in P3 which screens for the top 1% at the age of 9 years old. The entire cohort in RI/RGS/HCI/NYGH remains intact from Year1 to Year6 with a minuscule number of places available.
Now 40-50% of the places in RI and RGS were \"booked\"
This is assuming all the GEP students end up in these 2 schools. Since there are GEP students in other IP and non-IP schools, the % \"booked\" can't be so high.
The entire cohort in RI/RGS/HCI/NYGH remains intact from Year1 to Year6 with a minuscule number of places available
The intake at Year 5 for RI and HCI is not really \"minuscule\", because they take in more than 20% O Level students at Year 5.
Bottom line, as long as the total intake of these \"top schools\" are not reduced and assuming their popularity stays about the same, the level of competition to get a place in these schools should be about the same, with or without GEP, IP. -
AWSP:
What would you define as miniscule?
Cohort size used to be around 360 some 20-30 years ago. % wise I understand to be around 1%.
But then RJC were not all filled with RI/RGS students; at least 30% of the cohort did not go to RJC even with a 2 points affiliation. Some crossed over to HCJC/NJC and a lot did not make it. And HCJC were an even more mixed lot.
Now 40-50% of the places in RI and RGS were \"booked\" from a test conducted in P3 which screens for the top 1% at the age of 9 years old. The entire cohort in RI/RGS/HCI/NYGH remains intact from Year1 to Year6 with a minuscule number of places available for O level entrants.