MOE to stop publishing names of top students?
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wonderm:
I know as much as the majority knows by piecing together publicly available information, and looking at the response from authorities and hearing the experiences of people around me. Most parents are too busy coaching their kids, keep their jobs or buying their next property, so they did't bother whats happening around them. Things are changing very fast and a lot of us are sometimes caught off-guard if we didn't pay attention. δΈθ§ζ£ΊζδΈζζ³ͺεγ
You know something the \"majority\" doesn't know? Or is this purely your speculation?sinoboy:
You won't know the result because maybe it might be difficult to handle the truth and reality. So better not disclose?
Yes good to read it up and be aware of the developments. δΈθ¦ηε°η ε ₯θθ沑θ―ε»εγ
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pirate:
Huh? Definitely not true that they only admit straight As. I was in a position to know.
...says the faculties (in Singapore) who never admit any student with 3B.CayennePepper:
Nobody cares about non-GEP/GEP background by the time one is in college.
I don't have statistics to back me up, but I spent years, on and off, at one of these faculties and I interacted with a great number of undergraduates. Quite simply, the issue never arose. If you were accepted into these faculties, intellect is most assuredly not the determining factor!
The reason why non-GEP/GEP background never crop up is that it is obsolete information by the time they are in the faculties.
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Side track a bit. Just for info for all, for uni entry, there exists a little scheme somewhat similar to the DSA. Very selective though
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sinoboy:
:pokeeye: :heresmyfish: :pokeeye:
Perhaps it's because the GEP ones are on scholarship and mostly in overseas uni? -
wonderm:
Thanks for the information.[/quote]But its not easy to repeat as T-score of 67 will get into Normal Tech. which is about 25 marks raw score for each subject.
Based on the extracted info on moe site with regards to plse 2012 result, the kids are allow to repeat psle -BluryMom:
[quote=\"wonderm\"]Can someone enlighten me, is it true that no repeat is allowed by MOE no matter how badly a child performs in primary school?
Since we know that foreign students are allowed to start 1 or even 2 levels lower when joining our primary schools mid-way. How about returning Singaporean, are they given this option too? If so, anyone knows how many of returning Singaporean take up the chance to gain the \"over-age\" advantage?
\" Performance of 2012 Primary 6 Cohort
A total of 48,333 Primary 6 students sat for the PSLE this year. Among these students, 47,163 students (or 97.6%) are assessed as suitable to proceed to secondary school. In terms of course eligibility, 63.1% are eligible for the Express course, 23.1% for the Normal (Academic) and 11.4% for the Normal (Technical) course.
There are 1,170 students (or 2.4%) who are assessed to be not yet ready for secondary school. Of these, students who have attempted PSLE once and are not overage may, based on the recommendations of their primary school principals, apply to Assumption Pathway School (APS) or NorthLight School (NLS), or spend another year in Primary 6 to consolidate their learning. The remaining students who are unsuccessful after repeated attempts at the PSLE or are overage will be offered a place in APS or NLS.\"
Reference:
http://www.moe.gov.sg/media/press/2012/11/release-of-the-2012-psle-results.php -
sinoboy:
I know as much as the majority knows by piecing together publicly available information you mean the threading heading? , and looking at the response from authorities which response? and hearing the experiences of people around me What experience? Can Share ?
You know something the \"majority\" doesn't know? Or is this purely your speculation?wonderm:
[quote=\"sinoboy\"]
You won't know the result because maybe it might be difficult to handle the truth and reality. So better not disclose?
Yes good to read it up and be aware of the developments. δΈθ¦ηε°η ε ₯θθ沑θ―ε»εγ[/quote]there goes again...
vague reference, no facts or numbers ,own interpretation but very definite conclusions which you will not put down in words but hint hint , nudge nudge ...Maybe I am the only one not getting it , maybe I am dumber I realise.
So can you or some kind soul enlighten me? -
Interesting insights:
http://petunialee.blogspot.sg/2012/11/how-does-nyps-do-it.html?m=1 -
Sun_2010:
Ok you win.
there goes again...sinoboy:
I know as much as the majority knows by piecing together publicly available information you mean the threading heading? , and looking at the response from authorities which response? and hearing the experiences of people around me What experience? Can Share ?
vague reference, no facts or numbers ,own interpretation but very definite conclusions which you will not put down in words but hint hint , nudge nudge ...Maybe I am the only one not getting it , maybe I am dumber I realise.
So can you or some kind soul enlighten me?
Hope we don't see newcomers flooding our school system at the expense of the locals. Hope changes can be made to entering schools with a lower than COP score using DSA for GEP, IP program in some JCs that discriminate against good students by asking for 3 points with 6 subjects. :scratchhead:
If not the children slowly crawl their way up to uni in ITE or Poly .. provided they don't pick up bad habits and fall by the wayside in the process. The kids can take the easier IB route, but not sure our kids are suitable for that system.
Sweeping changes are required, but with lots of defensive stance from either ignorance or vested interests, but I'm not sure if any non-superficial changes will ever be made. I'm out of here for good.
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sinoboy:
Ok you win.
there goes again...Sun_2010:
[quote=\"sinoboy\"]
I know as much as the majority knows by piecing together publicly available information you mean the threading heading? , and looking at the response from authorities which response? and hearing the experiences of people around me What experience? Can Share ?
vague reference, no facts or numbers ,own interpretation but very definite conclusions which you will not put down in words but hint hint , nudge nudge ...Maybe I am the only one not getting it , maybe I am dumber I realise.
So can you or some kind soul enlighten me?
Hope we don't see newcomers flooding our school system at the expense of the locals. Hope changes can be made to entering schools with a lower than COP score using DSA for GEP, IP program in some JCs that discriminate against good students by asking for 3 points with 6 subjects. :scratchhead:
If not the children slowly crawl their way up to uni in ITE or Poly .. provided they don't pick up bad habits and fall by the wayside in the process. The kids can take the easier IB route, but not sure our kids are suitable for that system.
Sweeping changes are required, but with lots of defensive stance from either ignorance or vested interests, but I'm not sure if any non-superficial changes will ever be made. I'm out of here for good.[/quote] :hugs: sinoboy, its not about me or you winning. But about having a robust education system that wins.
I too am of the view that education system needs more than mere tweaking . Some fundamental changes need to be made (not just in singapore but most other countries too). But that has to be a well thought out and implemented with care and gradually rather than have some drastic popular measures. this particualr change of not naming top schlars is like you say superficial too.
I also differ in the view that competition has to be kept at bay to improve the system. Far from it. Healthy competition motivates kids. And bringing in foreign competition spurs the local kids and makes them see beyond themselves. Better to face them on the home ground.
I am more like keep parents (including me) out, they are the ones who twist the arms of the education system to benefit their darlings. They are the ones who are piling pressure. But MOE should strategize to handle them. How to devise a system so that parents are not feeling threatened , so that they stop spending most of their home time making life tough for the children , so that good education can take place . No mean task that.
Honestly most of us are short sighted. Low Marks in an exam in lower primary makes us go balistic. We are really losing the big picture. One mark here or one mark there. One not so good teacher. A foreign student who has such a strong language skill that our child pales in comparison. Petty issues. many really feel hurt when such things happen. Our emotions as a parent clouds our judgement of the system. We can rant and grumble. But not many have the wisdom to look beyond \"me and my child\", so our rants should be taken with a vat of salt.
It is indeed difficult to step back and keep prespective. That has always been a problem with parenting. What should I do -am I over reacting ? Am i under reacting? Am I going to regret this later?
So MOE has an uphill task of keeping parents as partners in education yet detached enough not to get too involved to take things personally. Besides the huge task of steering education to cater to a very different kind of future
Our opinions help. More so backed by concrete data. Because hearsay data is coloured heavily by our emotions. And that distorts reality.
That is all I am saying.
So stay , ok?
, I better get back to work , been \"notti\" today ...
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Sun_2010:
:goodpost:But about having a robust education system that wins.
I too am of the view that education system needs more than mere tweaking . Some fundamental changes need to be made (not just in singapore but most other countries too). But that has to be a well thought out and implemented with care and gradually rather than have some drastic popular measures. this particualr change of not naming top schlars is like you say superficial too.
I also differ in the view that competition has to be kept at bay to improve the system. Far from it. Healthy competition motivates kids. And bringing in foreign competition spurs the local kids and makes them see beyond themselves. Better to face them on the home ground.
I am more like keep parents (including me) out, they are the ones who twist the arms of the education system to benefit their darlings. They are the ones who are piling pressure. But MOE should strategize to handle them. How to devise a system so that parents are not feeling threatened , so that they stop spending most of their home time making life tough for the children , so that good education can take place . No mean task that.
Honestly most of us are short sighted. Low Marks in an exam in lower primary makes us go balistic. We are really losing the big picture. One mark here or one mark there. One not so good teacher. A foreign student who has such a strong language skill that our child pales in comparison. Petty issues. many really feel hurt when such things happen. Our emotions as a parent clouds our judgement of the system. We can rant and grumble. But not many have the wisdom to look beyond \"me and my child\", so our rants should be taken with a vat of salt.
It is indeed difficult to step back and keep prespective. That has always been a problem with parenting. What should I do -am I over reacting ? Am i under reacting? Am I going to regret this later?
So MOE has an uphill task of keeping parents as partners in education yet detached enough not to get too involved to take things personally. Besides the huge task of steering education to cater to a very different kind of future
Our opinions help. More so backed by concrete data. Because hearsay data is coloured heavily by our emotions. And that distorts reality.
That is all I am saying. -
sinoboy:
Ok you win.
there goes again...Sun_2010:
[quote=\"sinoboy\"]
I know as much as the majority knows by piecing together publicly available information you mean the threading heading? , and looking at the response from authorities which response? and hearing the experiences of people around me What experience? Can Share ?
vague reference, no facts or numbers ,own interpretation but very definite conclusions which you will not put down in words but hint hint , nudge nudge ...Maybe I am the only one not getting it , maybe I am dumber I realise.
So can you or some kind soul enlighten me?
Hope we don't see newcomers flooding our school system at the expense of the locals. Hope changes can be made to entering schools with a lower than COP score using DSA for GEP, IP program in some JCs that discriminate against good students by asking for 3 points with 6 subjects. :scratchhead:
If not the children slowly crawl their way up to uni in ITE or Poly .. provided they don't pick up bad habits and fall by the wayside in the process. The kids can take the easier IB route, but not sure our kids are suitable for that system.
Sweeping changes are required, but with lots of defensive stance from either ignorance or vested interests, but I'm not sure if any non-superficial changes will ever be made. I'm out of here for good.[/quote]I refer to your statement above, highlighted in red. How are these JCs discriminating against good students? It's demand and supply of places available in a JC, any JC. ALL students can use their bonus points up to a max of 4 points (2 for CCA, 2 for affliation, 2 for HMT) for entry into ANY JC. Some JCs are deemed more popular than others and hence are more popular, driving the COP down. There's no discrimination. A matter of economics. Demand and supply.
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