MOE to stop publishing names of top students?

[Sun_2010]

sinoboy:

wonderm:

[quote=\"sinoboy\"]
You won't know the result because maybe it might be difficult to handle the truth and reality. So better not disclose?

Yes good to read it up and be aware of the developments. 不要等到病入膏肓没药医呀。

You know something the \"majority\" doesn't know? Or is this purely your speculation?

I know as much as the majority knows by piecing together publicly available information you mean the threading heading? , and looking at the response from authorities which response? and hearing the experiences of people around me What experience? Can Share ? [/quote]there goes again...
vague reference, no facts or numbers ,own interpretation but very definite conclusions which you will not put down in words but hint hint , nudge nudge ...Maybe I am the only one not getting it , maybe I am dumber I realise.
So can you or some kind soul enlighten me?

[cherryc]

Interesting insights:


http://petunialee.blogspot.sg/2012/11/how-does-nyps-do-it.html?m=1

[sinoboy]

Sun_2010:

sinoboy:

I know as much as the majority knows by piecing together publicly available information you mean the threading heading? , and looking at the response from authorities which response? and hearing the experiences of people around me What experience? Can Share ?

there goes again...
vague reference, no facts or numbers ,own interpretation but very definite conclusions which you will not put down in words but hint hint , nudge nudge ...Maybe I am the only one not getting it , maybe I am dumber I realise.
So can you or some kind soul enlighten me?

Ok you win.

Hope we don't see newcomers flooding our school system at the expense of the locals. Hope changes can be made to entering schools with a lower than COP score using DSA for GEP, IP program in some JCs that discriminate against good students by asking for 3 points with 6 subjects. :scratchhead:

If not the children slowly crawl their way up to uni in ITE or Poly .. provided they don't pick up bad habits and fall by the wayside in the process. The kids can take the easier IB route, but not sure our kids are suitable for that system.

Sweeping changes are required, but with lots of defensive stance from either ignorance or vested interests, but I'm not sure if any non-superficial changes will ever be made. I'm out of here for good.

[Sun_2010]

sinoboy:

Sun_2010:

[quote=\"sinoboy\"]
I know as much as the majority knows by piecing together publicly available information you mean the threading heading? , and looking at the response from authorities which response? and hearing the experiences of people around me What experience? Can Share ?

there goes again...
vague reference, no facts or numbers ,own interpretation but very definite conclusions which you will not put down in words but hint hint , nudge nudge ...Maybe I am the only one not getting it , maybe I am dumber I realise.
So can you or some kind soul enlighten me?

Ok you win.

Hope we don't see newcomers flooding our school system at the expense of the locals. Hope changes can be made to entering schools with a lower than COP score using DSA for GEP, IP program in some JCs that discriminate against good students by asking for 3 points with 6 subjects. :scratchhead:

If not the children slowly crawl their way up to uni in ITE or Poly .. provided they don't pick up bad habits and fall by the wayside in the process. The kids can take the easier IB route, but not sure our kids are suitable for that system.

Sweeping changes are required, but with lots of defensive stance from either ignorance or vested interests, but I'm not sure if any non-superficial changes will ever be made. I'm out of here for good. [/quote] :hugs: sinoboy, its not about me or you winning. But about having a robust education system that wins.
I too am of the view that education system needs more than mere tweaking . Some fundamental changes need to be made (not just in singapore but most other countries too). But that has to be a well thought out and implemented with care and gradually rather than have some drastic popular measures. this particualr change of not naming top schlars is like you say superficial too.
I also differ in the view that competition has to be kept at bay to improve the system. Far from it. Healthy competition motivates kids. And bringing in foreign competition spurs the local kids and makes them see beyond themselves. Better to face them on the home ground.

I am more like keep parents (including me) out, they are the ones who twist the arms of the education system to benefit their darlings. They are the ones who are piling pressure. But MOE should strategize to handle them. How to devise a system so that parents are not feeling threatened , so that they stop spending most of their home time making life tough for the children , so that good education can take place . No mean task that.
Honestly most of us are short sighted. Low Marks in an exam in lower primary makes us go balistic. We are really losing the big picture. One mark here or one mark there. One not so good teacher. A foreign student who has such a strong language skill that our child pales in comparison. Petty issues. many really feel hurt when such things happen. Our emotions as a parent clouds our judgement of the system. We can rant and grumble. But not many have the wisdom to look beyond \"me and my child\", so our rants should be taken with a vat of salt.
It is indeed difficult to step back and keep prespective. That has always been a problem with parenting. What should I do -am I over reacting ? Am i under reacting? Am I going to regret this later?
So MOE has an uphill task of keeping parents as partners in education yet detached enough not to get too involved to take things personally. Besides the huge task of steering education to cater to a very different kind of future

Our opinions help. More so backed by concrete data. Because hearsay data is coloured heavily by our emotions. And that distorts reality.
That is all I am saying.

So stay , ok?

, I better get back to work , been \"notti\" today ...

[wonderm]

Sun_2010:

But about having a robust education system that wins.

I too am of the view that education system needs more than mere tweaking . Some fundamental changes need to be made (not just in singapore but most other countries too). But that has to be a well thought out and implemented with care and gradually rather than have some drastic popular measures. this particualr change of not naming top schlars is like you say superficial too.
I also differ in the view that competition has to be kept at bay to improve the system. Far from it. Healthy competition motivates kids. And bringing in foreign competition spurs the local kids and makes them see beyond themselves. Better to face them on the home ground.

I am more like keep parents (including me) out, they are the ones who twist the arms of the education system to benefit their darlings. They are the ones who are piling pressure. But MOE should strategize to handle them. How to devise a system so that parents are not feeling threatened , so that they stop spending most of their home time making life tough for the children , so that good education can take place . No mean task that.
Honestly most of us are short sighted. Low Marks in an exam in lower primary makes us go balistic. We are really losing the big picture. One mark here or one mark there. One not so good teacher. A foreign student who has such a strong language skill that our child pales in comparison. Petty issues. many really feel hurt when such things happen. Our emotions as a parent clouds our judgement of the system. We can rant and grumble. But not many have the wisdom to look beyond \"me and my child\", so our rants should be taken with a vat of salt.
It is indeed difficult to step back and keep prespective. That has always been a problem with parenting. What should I do -am I over reacting ? Am i under reacting? Am I going to regret this later?
So MOE has an uphill task of keeping parents as partners in education yet detached enough not to get too involved to take things personally. Besides the huge task of steering education to cater to a very different kind of future

Our opinions help. More so backed by concrete data. Because hearsay data is coloured heavily by our emotions. And that distorts reality.
That is all I am saying.

:goodpost:

[jtoh]

sinoboy:

Sun_2010:

[quote=\"sinoboy\"]
I know as much as the majority knows by piecing together publicly available information you mean the threading heading? , and looking at the response from authorities which response? and hearing the experiences of people around me What experience? Can Share ?

there goes again...
vague reference, no facts or numbers ,own interpretation but very definite conclusions which you will not put down in words but hint hint , nudge nudge ...Maybe I am the only one not getting it , maybe I am dumber I realise.
So can you or some kind soul enlighten me?

Ok you win.

Hope we don't see newcomers flooding our school system at the expense of the locals. Hope changes can be made to entering schools with a lower than COP score using DSA for GEP, IP program in some JCs that discriminate against good students by asking for 3 points with 6 subjects. :scratchhead:

If not the children slowly crawl their way up to uni in ITE or Poly .. provided they don't pick up bad habits and fall by the wayside in the process. The kids can take the easier IB route, but not sure our kids are suitable for that system.

Sweeping changes are required, but with lots of defensive stance from either ignorance or vested interests, but I'm not sure if any non-superficial changes will ever be made. I'm out of here for good. [/quote]I refer to your statement above, highlighted in red. How are these JCs discriminating against good students? It's demand and supply of places available in a JC, any JC. ALL students can use their bonus points up to a max of 4 points (2 for CCA, 2 for affliation, 2 for HMT) for entry into ANY JC. Some JCs are deemed more popular than others and hence are more popular, driving the COP down. There's no discrimination. A matter of economics. Demand and supply.

[bupashu]

sinoboy:

Sun_2010:

[quote=\"sinoboy\"]
I know as much as the majority knows by piecing together publicly available information you mean the threading heading? , and looking at the response from authorities which response? and hearing the experiences of people around me What experience? Can Share ?

there goes again...
vague reference, no facts or numbers ,own interpretation but very definite conclusions which you will not put down in words but hint hint , nudge nudge ...Maybe I am the only one not getting it , maybe I am dumber I realise.
So can you or some kind soul enlighten me?

Ok you win.

Hope we don't see newcomers flooding our school system at the expense of the locals. Hope changes can be made to entering schools with a lower than COP score using DSA for GEP, IP program in some JCs that discriminate against good students by asking for 3 points with 6 subjects. :scratchhead:

If not the children slowly crawl their way up to uni in ITE or Poly .. provided they don't pick up bad habits and fall by the wayside in the process. The kids can take the easier IB route, but not sure our kids are suitable for that system.

Sweeping changes are required, but with lots of defensive stance from either ignorance or vested interests, but I'm not sure if any non-superficial changes will ever be made. I'm out of here for good. [/quote]why not follow the bumiputra priority policy of malaysia in the education sector ?

[3Boys]

cherryc:

Interesting insights:


http://petunialee.blogspot.sg/2012/11/how-does-nyps-do-it.html?m=1

Interesting. What is cause and what is effect? Is the relationship between NYPS students scoring well a causal or a casual one? I.e. NYPS caused the students to be good, or the students (or their parents) caused NYPS to be good?

And last but not least, how different is a child's outcome in LIFE different, had he attended NYPS or had he not?

My view is that the home environment is quite a bit more important, and I think in this blog post there are many elements of that too.

So my take (as always has been), fix the home before you fix the school. It's not so much how NYPS does it, its how NYPS' students' parents do it, IMO.

[bupashu]

sinoboy:

wonderm:

[quote=\"sinoboy\"]
You won't know the result because maybe it might be difficult to handle the truth and reality. So better not disclose?

Yes good to read it up and be aware of the developments. 不要等到病入膏肓没药医呀。

You know something the \"majority\" doesn't know? Or is this purely your speculation?

I know as much as the majority knows by piecing together publicly available information, and looking at the response from authorities and hearing the experiences of people around me. Most parents are too busy coaching their kids, keep their jobs or buying their next property, so they did't bother whats happening around them. Things are changing very fast and a lot of us are sometimes caught off-guard if we didn't pay attention. 不见棺材不掉泪嘛。 [/quote]quick, share, what is the the big conspiracy ?

[pirate]

sinoboy:

Hope changes can be made to entering schools with a lower than COP score using DSA for GEP, IP program in some JCs that discriminate against good students by asking for 3 points with 6 subjects. :scratchhead:

You make it sound as though those schools purposely set an unrealistic COP in order to keep students out. Has it occurred to you that the COP bar is set so high because there are more applicants who have achieved that COP than there are places open?

And then you make it sound as though getting in through DSA is so easy. If it were that easy, people won't be complaining that their kids couldn't get in through DSA.