Networking Group - JCs General
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phtthp:
The JCs only \"merge\" in name only.For those merged JCs like Anderson, Meridian, wondering how they going to teach the A-level students ?
eg
Since Anderson merged with Serangoon cohort : for Science stream, are they going to teach at the original faster pace of Anderson, or at a slightly slower pace now, after merging ?
What kind of teaching pace, are they going to pitch at ?
(the same question apply to Meridian / Tampines merge)
Existing JC2 student from the 4 \"merged\" JCs - SRJC, TPJC, IJC, JJC - will still remain in the same JC (in same old campus) to complete their 'A' level. By \"merged\", it just means these 4 JC will not be taking in new students from this year onwards. -
2018 JC Entry Cut-Off-Point
https://www.learnerslodge.com.sg/news/jc-cut-off-points-2018/ -
Can we safetly declare that NYJC is officially Singapore top 4 jc based on COP by beating NJC in 2 consecutive years? I think we must give them credit for that, an impressive rise n improvement beating many traditional long history established jc or IPJC. They don’t hv the IP feeder school but manage to rise to the among the top, kudos to them.
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UBKmom:
Can we safetly declare that NYJC is officially Singapore top 4 jc based on COP by beating NJC in 2 consecutive years? I think we must give them credit for that, an impressive rise n improvement beating many traditional long history established jc or IPJC. They don't hv the IP feeder school but manage to rise to the among the top, kudos to them.
I guess you can say that by COP but does that tells you anything about its performance vs NJC ?
1. As somebody have pointed out here, COP is an indication of popularity, not A level performance. Popularity can be a result of many factors. The was a post in the NYJC thread by somebody who indicated that the son likes NYJC because of its football field....Please also don't forget that NYJC takes in affliated students from Chung Cheng schools with 2 point advantage, so the \"real COP\" may be higher.
2. NJC COP was affected because of the setup of EJC last year, which is close to NJC. If you notice, both ACJC and NJC dropped 2 point instead of 1 point - and they are both close to EJC ( EJC only dropped 1 point). I forsee that NJC COP will improve agin next year when EJC moves back to Bishan Park. Corresppondingly, I think we will see a improvement in EJC COP and a drop in NYJC COP since students in the Ang Mio Kio area have more choices to choose from now.
3. NJC have always been transparent with their A level results and they always have been stellar. I can hardly find any detailed results from NYJC
4. Even though the COP has dropped, don't forget that the IP cohort of NJC are among the top 10% of Singapore based on PSLE T score. I believe was 255 last year. I would think that the average mean quality of the cohort in NJC (majority are IP ) is still much better than NYJC ( no offence).
5. NJC provides many programmes which only top JC are elligible to offer. This include:
MOE Secondary and Pre-University Scholarships
Art Elective Scholarship
Humanities Scholarship
Language Elective Scholarship
MOE Pre-University Scholarship
Bicultural Studies Programme Scholarship
For example the Humanities Scholarship Program is only available to the following top institutions:
Raffles Institution
Eunoia JC
Victoria JC
National JC
Temasek JC
Anglo-Chinese JC
Hwa Chong JC
I am not sure how many such programs does NYJC has, if any at all.
6. If you take a poll among the Singapore public that which institutions is more prestigious , what would you think?
So kudos to them have having good COP i.e popularity but it certainly does not say much otherwise -
UBKmom:
Can we safetly declare that NYJC is officially Singapore top 4 jc based on COP by beating NJC in 2 consecutive years? I think we must give them credit for that, an impressive rise n improvement beating many traditional long history established jc or IPJC. They don't hv the IP feeder school but manage to rise to the among the top, kudos to them.
In terms of entry point COP into Junior colleges, Nanyang JC is impressive. At the very most, we can use the word \"impressive\" or \"look attractive, appealing to enter Nanyang Junior College \", because this is a fair statement. Nanyang JC had done well, keep Up your spirit !
However, the moment we mention the word \"amongst Top\" JC, we No longer just look at the entry Cut-off-point, alone
Far more important is the Final, Exit END-point results, and that is looking at the performance of the \"QUALITY\" GCE \"A\" level results breakdown in detail, by H2 subject.
The same analogy arise, when we compare our primary schools' PSLE results, to explain clearer.
When we compare primary schools' PSLE results, what do we look out for?
a)
We look out for the percentage of \"QUALITY A / A *\" PSLE results, of the core 4 subjects (EL / MA / SC / Mother Tongue & Higher Mother Tongue)
A : 75 and above
A * : 91 and above
b)
We look at the number or the percentage of students, who scored 250 and above, in that primary school.
c)
We look at the Average / Mean T-score of the entire P6 PSLE cohort performance, in that individual primary school.
Do you ever look at the Entry point or Entrance point into Primary 1, that is how popular is that hot-favorable primary school in demand, during Phase 2C (less than 1 km) balloting, to determine or decide whether that primary school is amongst the Top schools in Sg ?
No, you don't !
Instead, what do we look for ?
We look at the Final, EXIT point Performance results, ie. the PSLE cohort performance, in that particular school.
It is the results of the entire cohort, that speaks for itself !
Likewise, the same concept applies to Junior Colleges -
again, we look at the Final, EXIT GCE A level performance results, of a particular Junior college.
Recall that Chinese, common saying ?
\"It is Not how you start or begin the race, that is important. Rather, it is how you END at the finishing line , that is Important !\"
In the same reasoning, there are IP students who started the begining of the Secondary school education (6 years ahead) who acquired impressive T-score, via lots of drilling, through tons of tuition in Primary 5 and 6.
However, along the way, what happen to them ?
Some of them felt very tired, couldn't cope with rigorous IP course with 8 subjects in Sec vs. 4 subjects & with heavy demand of Cca commitment plus other reasons : drop out halfway, exited at end of Sec 4, or retained at end of JC 1 (Year 5) or did badly at JC2.
Whether they can continue to Exit at the final, destination point with good A level results, is a question mark they have to answer themselves.
Unless and until someone come forward willingly to prove to everyone and to furnish the detailed breakdown by individual subject the H2 performance of the core Science and core Arts A-level subjects, & compare against that of National Junior college, for at least past 3 years' A level results consistently, to prove a consistent trend worth-noting performance, otherwise it is Wrong to use entrance Cut-off-point to decide & to determine if Nanyang JC A-level results is indeed the #4 Junior College, throughout entire Singapore. -
UBKmom:
Can we safetly declare that NYJC is officially Singapore top 4 jc based on COP by beating NJC in 2 consecutive years? I think we must give them credit for that, an impressive rise n improvement beating many traditional long history established jc or IPJC. They don't hv the IP feeder school but manage to rise to the among the top, kudos to them.
It too depends on the relative % increase in intake this year. Someone ever mentioned the average cohort size of nyjc is 650 and another stated that it has not increased much this year. If it had increased to 900 pupils as that of cjc, the cop will probably drop much more. The cop is very much affected by moe's decision such as determining the jc cohort size etc. You can't credit it to improvement in nyjc or it being able to beat other traditional established jcs alone. Maybe the stakeholders of nyjc has a say in the number of intakes too.
Also, cop of nyjc and njc was a tie last year. What do you mean by 'beating njc in 2 consecutive years'? -
I’m somewhat bemuse why are we so obsessed with which is top jc, which is top sec sch, which sch is better than which sch? We don’t even have the exact figures of their enrolment size, affiliation figures, A level results, etc to make an apple-to-apple comparison. Much less label which cohort as performing better or worse than previous cohort.
Does that 1 to 2 points difference make so much of a difference that we can label them as a student from top JC or mid-tier JC, and in the process infer them as possessing of certain caliber superior/inferior to others?
A large fraction of these 2-5 pointers had PSLE 230s - 250s, relegating many of them to "mid-tier" sec schools. Now they enter the "top" JCs and mix with the PSLE 250s-280s and realise they are mostly on par with each other.
It’s good we share the COPs of the schools for parents who wish to know/have a gauge if their child can enter the school or not. But to compare and rank schools based on COPs which differ by only a couple of points is really absurd. -
GinMocca:
Erm, this is not a programme.
5. NJC provides many programmes which only top JC are elligible to offer. This include:
MOE Secondary and Pre-University Scholarships
Art Elective Scholarship
Humanities Scholarship
Language Elective Scholarship
MOE Pre-University Scholarship
Bicultural Studies Programme Scholarship -
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zeemimi:
I'm somewhat bemuse why are we so obsessed with which is top jc, which is top sec sch, which sch is better than which sch? We don't even have the exact figures of their enrolment size, affiliation figures, A level results, etc to make an apple-to-apple comparison. Much less label which cohort as performing better or worse than previous cohort.
Does that 1 to 2 points difference make so much of a difference that we can label them as a student from top JC or mid-tier JC, and in the process infer them as possessing of certain caliber superior/inferior to others?
A large fraction of these 2-5 pointers had PSLE 230s - 250s, relegating many of them to \"mid-tier\" sec schools. Now they enter the \"top\" JCs and mix with the PSLE 250s-280s and realise they are mostly on par with each other.
It's good we share the COPs of the schools for parents who wish to know/have a gauge if their child can enter the school or not. But to compare and rank schools based on COPs which differ by only a couple of points is really absurd. -
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GinMocca:
UBKmom:
Can we safetly declare that NYJC is officially Singapore top 4 jc based on COP by beating NJC in 2 consecutive years? I think we must give them credit for that, an impressive rise n improvement beating many traditional long history established jc or IPJC. They don't hv the IP feeder school but manage to rise to the among the top, kudos to them.
I guess you can say that by COP but does that tells you anything about its performance vs NJC ?
1. As somebody have pointed out here, COP is an indication of popularity, not A level performance. Popularity can be a result of many factors. The was a post in the NYJC thread by somebody who indicated that the son likes NYJC because of its football field....Please also don't forget that NYJC takes in affliated students from Chung Cheng schools with 2 point advantage, so the \"real COP\" may be higher.
2. NJC COP was affected because of the setup of EJC last year, which is close to NJC. If you notice, both ACJC and NJC dropped 2 point instead of 1 point - and they are both close to EJC ( EJC only dropped 1 point). I forsee that NJC COP will improve agin next year when EJC moves back to Bishan Park. Corresppondingly, I think we will see a improvement in EJC COP and a drop in NYJC COP since students in the Ang Mio Kio area have more choices to choose from now.
3. NJC have always been transparent with their A level results and they always have been stellar. I can hardly find any detailed results from NYJC
4. Even though the COP has dropped, don't forget that the IP cohort of NJC are among the top 10% of Singapore based on PSLE T score. I believe was 255 last year. I would think that the average mean quality of the cohort in NJC (majority are IP ) is still much better than NYJC ( no offence).
5. NJC provides many programmes which only top JC are elligible to offer. This include:
MOE Secondary and Pre-University Scholarships
Art Elective Scholarship
Humanities Scholarship
Language Elective Scholarship
MOE Pre-University Scholarship
Bicultural Studies Programme Scholarship
For example the Humanities Scholarship Program is only available to the following top institutions:
Raffles Institution
Eunoia JC
Victoria JC
National JC
Temasek JC
Anglo-Chinese JC
Hwa Chong JC
I am not sure how many such programs does NYJC has, if any at all.
6. If you take a poll among the Singapore public that which institutions is more prestigious , what would you think?
So kudos to them have having good COP i.e popularity but it certainly does not say much otherwise
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