DSA - RI / HCI confirmed
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Your friend’s son is weak in both languages. 85% for GEP maths can be considered good, 78% for GEP science can be considered average. If he can pull his score for english to 75% and chinese to 70%, I think he will be ok. He is in P5 this year, so still got time to catch up.
I don’t think your friend’s son can maintain the GEP status with this kind of result. If you can not even maintain the GEP status, it will be hard for RI or HCI to accept you as they might not even see you as GEP student. -
john.316:
Thanks john. I'm unable to comment on below average getting into RI/HCI as I'm unaware of son's classmates results. However, I would advise those who are below average to apply to schools other than these 2 to increase their chances of acceptance. If they're waitlisted in RI/HCI and a confirmed in another school, the kids would feel better too. At least they don't feel like rejects. Feel sadHi Mathsparks.Congratulation to your son! Few question to ask you....Are you able to elaborate What do you mean by saying GEP student standing a good chance. I have a friend his son is in GEP, but he is very worry for his son, as his son study is average, sometimes below average. Do you mean my friend son is still standing a good chance as compare to the main stream students?Do you have any existing cases you know of to share? I mean below average GEP student get into RI or HCI.
Thank u!
for some kids who till now has no acceptance. Their morale have definitely suffered.
Regarding yr friend's son - looks like he's doing well for maths and science. Advise him to take part in the RIPMWC and SMOPS next year to increase his chances of NUSH. It's not too late to pull up for the languages. Seek out the learning lab if he needs english tuition. My son is weaker in languages too. Scoring below average for languages but above for maths/science.
Yr friend's son can maintain his ge status in secondary school if he passes ss in p6 (if I remember correctly, 70 is the passing mark :? ) and goes to an ip school. There's a lot of emphasis on ss - so pls don't neglect that.
Thanks joy, dharma, turquoise, flametree, sally for all your kind wishes. I've been so happy I had trouble falling asleep last few nights.
Good luck to joy in 2 years time and flametree next year. Hope I can give more advice along the way.turquoise:
:congrats: to turquoise too for yr girl's entry to rgs. Yes, there're gold awardees not accepted in HCI, but waitlist in RI, and I also know of a kid with platinum not offered in HCI. So we've to dispel the myth that platinum or gold would get you into these 2 schools.
I think SMOPS results are held in high regard at NUS High but less so at RI, HCI, RGS and NYGH. Getting a Platinum or Gold may not secure you a place or even an interview at these schools. I kinow of at least one SMOPS Gold awardee who did not even called up for an interview with any of these schools. I'm not sure about Platinum awardees. If anyone has any information, please share.
Sorry :oops: , folks. I was mistaken also. Having a hard time looking for the post where I mentioned that having a plat or gold increases the likelihood of entry. Hate to perpetuate rumours.Ban:
Thanks ban. We don't really have to think too hard on this as RI is the nearest for us. Kid doesn't have to spend too much time travelling.
Congratulations, Mathsparks. I can imagine the joy of mother and son. The hope of all parents to 望子成龙。 RI must be the obvious choice of the 3.
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My son has SMOP platinum award but wasn’t offered by HCI. He is in waitlist2. Think the reason may due to dropping of HCL.
My colleague told me that his son’s classmate from mainstream has SMOP silver but has HCL was offered by HCI. -
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:congrats: to turquoise too for yr girl's entry to rgs.
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Thanks mathsparks
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father_of_3:
That could be a reason. Was your son offered a place in RI and NUSH?My son has SMOP platinum award but wasn't offered by HCI. He is in waitlist2. Think the reason may due to dropping of HCL.
My colleague told me that his son's classmate from mainstream has SMOP silver but has HCL was offered by HCI. -
Hi Father_of_3, your son got HCI waitlist 2, may I know if he has been called for a briefing by HCI. Thanks! Good Luck!
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father_of_3:
I don't think HCL is the only reason. Friend of son with platinum who takes HCL did not even get a waiting place from HCIMy son has SMOP platinum award but wasn't offered by HCI. He is in waitlist2. Think the reason may due to dropping of HCL.
My colleague told me that his son's classmate from mainstream has SMOP silver but has HCL was offered by HCI. -
bocmark:
Was he shortlisted for the DSA test and interview? Guess the GAT/Eng/CL test during DSA are important factors.
I don't think HCL is the only reason. Friend of son with platinum who takes HCL did not even get a waiting place from HCIfather_of_3:
My son has SMOP platinum award but wasn't offered by HCI. He is in waitlist2. Think the reason may due to dropping of HCL.
My colleague told me that his son's classmate from mainstream has SMOP silver but has HCL was offered by HCI. -
father_of_3:
Hi Father_of_3, your son got HCI waitlist 2, may I know if he has been called for a briefing by HCI. Thanks! Good Luck!My son has SMOP platinum award but wasn't offered by HCI. He is in waitlist2. Think the reason may due to dropping of HCL.
My colleague told me that his son's classmate from mainstream has SMOP silver but has HCL was offered by HCI. -
From the above discussion, I realised that many parents are placing the success of DSA based on a student's achievement in maths competitions or school's results. I observed last year DSA experience among my son's peers and other school's students both from GEP and mainstreams and found that there are numerous factors that may affect a student's DSA Confirmed, Waitlist and Rejection outcome.
These are:
1) Year 4, 5 and 6 (SA1) results
- Some schools focus only on P6 results (eg at least 80% average for GEP applicant to RI or they have to sit for GAT)
- Some schools (eg NUSH look at Maths and Science results over 3 years)
- Generally, if a student result ranges between 70 to 80% for Year 4 and 5 and above 80% in Year 6, chances of success is higher but not 100%)
2) Other achievements
- All maths competitions including NMOZ, RI Maths, SMOPS, Gauss, Australian Maths Competition and American Maths Competition
- ICAS or NSW performance in all subjects
- other English, Science, Chinese competition etc.
- CCA achievement (some schools looks at a student's academic and CCA performance at the same level)
- Leaderships skills etc
3) Performance in DSA tests
- Eg, HCI request all applicants (GEP and Mainstreams) to take written tests. These tests may aim to reveal the students' personality, confidence level and their inner thoughts or ambitions.
- RGS, NUSH, NJC etc also look specifically at the applicants' test performance
4) Interviews
- Peformance by applicants during interview is very important
- A very high achiever GEP student was rejected by HCI due to his performance in interview (he related his responses to the interviewers' questions and it was deemed by many as arrogance and lack of integrity and humility)
- Another student who show lack of interest in the school he is applying during interview was only given a waitlist (although this may not be the main reason)
I believe there are a combination of factors or criteria schools used to decide which students are given the confirmed, waitlist or rejection status. In addition, each year the schools may change their criteria based on their mission, new policy or change of focus. It is very difficult for us parents to try to second guess or strongly feel who are the worthy students who should (by right) secure a confirmed placing.
I implore parents not to place too much emphasis on DSA performance and in the process may put too much stress on their children. Sometimes, the unnecessary stress may cause more damage in terms of emotional well being especially when a student has high expectation of his/her success and unable to take failures. My experience on my children's DSA, past and current performance, their peers' behaviour (a couple very high achiever developed depression) taught me not to place too high expectation on them and instead focus on their continuous learning and give full support to their goals (be it academic or other interest like my kids who started picking up drumming and guitar). My wish is to ensure they pick up good life skills as they grow and my emphasis will be on character development. These are far more important than just pure academic achievement as they will go far in their future if they can manage their life well.
All the best to the P6 and the many hardworking parents as well!!!!!! :xedfingers:
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