桃花谈
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insider:
If we donate money to charity, expecting it to be use for \"good deeds\".. but end up due to the charity management corrupted and bad deeds was done.. how ar?.. also -ve seed?
Perhaps to add one last thing here, how the receiver makes use of the 财 that we 施. If the money is used to take drugs or to buy weapons to rob and kill, then it becomes a negative seed, whether we know or we don’t know (know will be a ‘badder’ seed and if unknown will still be a bad seed). If we lend someone $2000, then someone uses it to buy a gun, and then kill someone = it becomes a 共业 that we have indirectly participated in the murder (similar to 我不杀伯仁，伯仁却因我而死）.
How about those who donate to NKF but NKF used the money to sue innocent pple causing them harm..? -
limlim:
If we donate money to charity, expecting it to be use for \"good deeds\".. but end up due to the charity management corrupted and bad deeds was done.. how ar?.. also -ve seed?
How about those who donate to NKF but NKF used the money to sue innocent pple causing them harm..?
emmm...
we don't have 100% hindsight of things. So, we can only do with out best intent. If there's a 共业，then there's a 共业.
There are so many pluses and minuses in life. Basically I don't think we should go and calculate to the last possible extent.
Just do with our best intent and then the rest we leave them to the 'auto-calculator'. As long as our hearts remain kind, the overall net should be a plus (cannot be so 倒霉 every time donate $$$ also kena be used in not-intended-purpose right?) -
chloecube:
As said, just do within your means.so by doing good deeds, we are adding positive point
what if we are supposed to help but didnt managed to help?
for instance, if a person sees an injured cat in the drain, but didnt stop to help, probably due to following reasons ,
1) afraid of animal
2) scare of blood
3) no idea how to help
3) or maybe afraid of public glares (some ppl are shy abt doing good deeds in public)
for situation like this is, able to help but didnt help (with reasons), does this lead to points being deducted ?
If we see an injured animal, the first logical feeling that one should have is 'compassion', that one can feel the pain and suffering of the animal.
If we can help, we help. If we can't, then leave it.
There was once I saw a bird whose feet got caught by a sticky plastic bag with string. The bird was struggle to set itself free but couldn't. It was struggling and I could imagine its fate of maybe got a naughty person step on it and kill it. Despite being fearful of the fact that the bird might peck on me if I tried to rescue it, I went to 'catch' the bird (held it firmly in my hand) and then removed the plastic bag from its feet. Then it flew off. If I didn't free it, then I might keep thinking of this little bird and live with regrets of not knowing whether at the end, it would die of struggling or not.
The point (4) above is worth pondering over coz one needs to get over the fear of embarrassment of someone staring when he is trying to do something good (the 勇 which will come from 智）. It will be a sin for example if one sees someone injured on the road and then that someone doesn't help coz of worrying about others' stares. If physical help is not possible (such as worrying about maybe got conned), then offer the help in other ways by making a call to the relevant authority. Small things like hearing the alarm sounds in a lift where someone may get trapped, the logical move should be to investigate whether there's anyone got trapped inside and call the maintenance dept instead of thinking 'someone else will call one lah' and perhaps continues watching one's television...
About three months ago, a family opposite my block was having a huge fight. The woman was screaming and child's crying could be heard. All the glass shattering sounds of 'ping-ling-pang-lang' came out from that house. It was about 12 am at night. I got my elder son to call the police. He said, \"Aiya, people's domestic quarrel only.' I told him no, someone might die inside (the crying of that child broke my heart).
Son called the police and he went downstairs to wait for their arrival in order to direct them to the correct unit in a quicker manner.
Police visited the unit.
Then ambulance came.
The woman was carried out in a stretcher...
Calling the police is quite a 'chore'. Have to leave down one's number, name, and then to assist in investigation and stands as witness if needed. But if going through this chore can save someone, then it's a chore really worth doing. Can never 见死不救 if it is within one's means. For that woman if she really dies coz nobody bothers, then whoever knows about it but not acting will all be in a 共业...... -
I am so glad your family called the police.
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insider:
i agree with u, if i could help but didnt, i will be thinking abt it for the whole day ...feeling guilty and 无奈
As said, just do within your means.chloecube:
so by doing good deeds, we are adding positive point
what if we are supposed to help but didnt managed to help?
for instance, if a person sees an injured cat in the drain, but didnt stop to help, probably due to following reasons ,
1) afraid of animal
2) scare of blood
3) no idea how to help
3) or maybe afraid of public glares (some ppl are shy abt doing good deeds in public)
for situation like this is, able to help but didnt help (with reasons), does this lead to points being deducted ?
If we see an injured animal, the first logical feeling that one should have is 'compassion', that one can feel the pain and suffering of the animal.
If we can help, we help. If we can't, then leave it.
There was once I saw a bird whose feet got caught by a sticky plastic bag with string. The bird was struggle to set itself free but couldn't. It was struggling and I could imagine its fate of maybe got a naughty person step on it and kill it. Despite being fearful of the fact that the bird might peck on me if I tried to rescue it, I went to 'catch' the bird (held it firmly in my hand) and then removed the plastic bag from its feet. Then it flew off. If I didn't free it, then I might keep thinking of this little bird and live with regrets of not knowing whether at the end, it would die of struggling or not.
The point (4) above is worth pondering over coz one needs to get over the fear of embarrassment of someone staring when he is trying to do something good (the 勇 which will come from 智）. It will be a sin for example if one sees someone injured on the road and then that someone doesn't help coz of worrying about others' stares. If physical help is not possible (such as worrying about maybe got conned), then offer the help in other ways by making a call to the relevant authority. Small things like hearing the alarm sounds in a lift where someone may get trapped, the logical move should be to investigate whether there's anyone got trapped inside and call the maintenance dept instead of thinking 'someone else will call one lah' and perhaps continues watching one's television...
About three months ago, a family opposite my block was having a huge fight. The woman was screaming and child's crying could be heard. All the glass shattering sounds of 'ping-ling-pang-lang' came out from that house. It was about 12 am at night. I got my elder son to call the police. He said, \"Aiya, people's domestic quarrel only.' I told him no, someone might die inside (the crying of that child broke my heart).
Son called the police and he went downstairs to wait for their arrival in order to direct them to the correct unit in a quicker manner.
Police visited the unit.
Then ambulance came.
The woman was carried out in a stretcher...
Calling the police is quite a 'chore'. Have to leave down one's number, name, and then to assist in investigation and stands as witness if needed. But if going through this chore can save someone, then it's a chore really worth doing. Can never 见死不救 if it is within one's means. For that woman if she really dies coz nobody bothers, then whoever knows about it but not acting will all be in a 共业......
i am clearly lacking in 勇. many a times, seeing situation like that, i wanted to help so much, but dare not in public. need to overcome that.
but if i see accident or domestic fight that required police or ambulance, i will do it, becos public wont know who made the call :oops:
not so bothered abt the chores of being a witness after that, so long as not in public.
想做好事, 又怕人知...咳! -
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i am clearly lacking in 勇. many a times, seeing situation like that, i wanted to help so much, but dare not in public. need to overcome that.
but if i see accident or domestic fight that required police or ambulance, i will do it, becos public wont know who made the call :oops:
not so bothered abt the chores of being a witness after that, so long as not in public.
想做好事, 又怕人知...咳![/quote]OT a bit about civic courage
I witnessed an attempted suicide. Old man sitting on the ledge of hdb block. Opposite block.
Quick, call 995! however there was a passer-by that managed to talk him down.
Fire engine came. Old man was out-of-sight. (he probably went back to his flat)
Oops.
On one hand, it is a relief that old man was convinced to come down
on the other hand..... SCDF would think I made a nuisance call.
no matter.
I think I did the right thing. -
insider
I still \"digesting\" info
But like to share this
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insider:
Oh 共业 again. Insider, how about another thread on 共业 ? :evil:
Emm…I think when you lent the money to your that relative, you don’t really have the intention of him returning? If that’s so, then is 施财.
If you are expecting him to return, then it is not but it’s doing a good deed to 解人之危.[/ quote]
No, I am not expecting him to return. I make it clear to him that it's a token from us (my mum and me). Although the $$$ is mine, I tell him it's from my mum and me (50% and 50%). I rather he not return the money to me and I told my mum that we shd not talk/remind him about this anymore, just treat it as a dream.insider:
Perhaps to add one last thing here, how the receiver makes use of the 财 that we 施. If the money is used to take drugs or to buy weapons to rob and kill, then it becomes a negative seed, whether we know or we don’t know (know will be a ‘badder’ seed and if unknown will still be a bad seed). If we lend someone $2000, then someone uses it to buy a gun, and then kill someone = it becomes a 共业 that we have indirectly participated in the murder (similar to 我不杀伯仁，伯仁却因我而死）.
So must 施财 ‘intelligently’…
You know what, Buddhism impresses me more and more. I always feel that buddhism teachings are quite scientific/logical (I took buddhism as a subject in lower secondary) but am never really \"into\" it. -
chloecube:
This reminded me of an incident which happened a few months ago.so by doing good deeds, we are adding positive point
what if we are supposed to help but didnt managed to help?
for instance, if a person sees an injured cat in the drain, but didnt stop to help, probably due to following reasons ,
1) afraid of animal
2) scare of blood
3) no idea how to help
3) or maybe afraid of public glares (some ppl are shy abt doing good deeds in public)
for situation like this is, able to help but didnt help (with reasons), does this lead to points being deducted ?
I was driving with my son at the back seat. We were almost out of the bt panjang neighbourhood and into bke. Then I saw a little kitten crossing the road. It toddled across one lane and hopped onto the road divider.
In my mind I was thinking, can I hazard light and stop here now? I assessed the situation and decided cannot stop (will end up car behind me bang into mine). I continued but very slowly. From my side mirror, I could see the kitten continuing its way into the opposite lane. The vehicles were aware of its presence and were slowing down to avoid it.
I kept thinking if I shd go back to help but I could not stop my car. By the time I could stop, I decided that I was already too far away from him and u-turn is not an option. In the end, I didn't turn back to help and this kitten occupied my mind for the rest of that day. In situation like this, shd I use my brain more or my heart more? -
I think the gist is, to help if you can, but if can’t, thenmove on.
A neighbour rope my husband in to rescue a kitten stuck at the outer corridor ledge. It took quite a while as that kitten did not respond to the treats they used to enticed it. They tried to use a bag to lower down to coax the cat to jump in, but failed. Then my husband stretched out his hand to try to grab the cat and it sat onto his hand. He lifted it to safety and they quickly took the cat downstairs to the garden before it decide to jump out onto that ledge. We were late for class that day, but secondary. I asked my husband what if the cat moved away and jumped to its death if he reached out. He said they were running out of options and if it jumped,too bad.
He volunteered to coax an agitated armed neighbour from jumping down once, so his believe has been to try one’s best and hope for the best. Have to take into account own safety first as he is answerable to his family. We were worried sick that day, but he took it easy.
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